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Old 07-06-2016, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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The fact that I, one person without a scientific background and of limited intellect, can not name anything that's sourceless is your proof that there's a God?

Well okay then.

Solid reasoning.

Yes.

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An ultimate creator that has always existed is NOT logical if we are to use your own reasoning, which is that nothing can be sourceless. Ironically, the one person using logic that, if it is to be believed, DISproves an "ultimate creator," is you.

Again, infinite causation is illogical.
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Old 07-06-2016, 07:19 PM
 
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How do you explain those who feel different? Why do some (most?) have no problem seeing and knowing a creator?
Because of wishful thinking, extreme continuous cultural envelopment in the idea since birth, and terror of death. Add natural human imagination and there you have it.
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Old 07-06-2016, 07:20 PM
 
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Yes.




Again, infinite causation is illogical.
So is "nothing can exist without a source. God has no source."
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Old 07-06-2016, 07:22 PM
 
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Because of wishful thinking, extreme continuous cultural envelopment in the idea since birth, and terror of death. Add natural human imagination and there you have it.
Are you saying most people are just dumb? Perhaps if our imagination is natural, the idea of a creator is not so dumb after all.
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Old 07-06-2016, 07:24 PM
 
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So is "nothing can exist without a source. God has no source."

Since infinite causation is illogical, then yes.
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Old 07-06-2016, 07:28 PM
 
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Are you saying most people are just dumb?.
Absolutely not. Don't put words in my mouth.
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Old 07-06-2016, 07:31 PM
 
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Absolutely not. Don't put words in my mouth.
Touche.
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Old 07-06-2016, 07:31 PM
 
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Since infinite causation is illogical, then yes.
Nope!

Since both ideas are illogical, obviously, neither answer is correct.

Therefore, there must be a third possibility that neither of us has even thought of yet.

THAT, Jimmie, is logic.

Whatever that third option is, I am sure science will eventually uncover it and I am sure it will be fascinating.
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Old 07-06-2016, 07:33 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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How do you explain those who feel different? Why do some (most?) have no problem seeing and knowing a creator?
Usually, I am inclined to let people who feel a certain way speak for themselves.

However, based on my experiences, I think that a lot of people have a psychological need to believe in a creator. Centuries of religious tradition and authority have reinforced this belief in society. People don't realize that their imaginations and wishes deceive them about reality.

It doesn't sit well with people to realize that there is no savior, no heaven, no afterlife.

Plus, many people have simply not looked into the scientific evidence which calls into question many of the things which have long been attributed to a creator.
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Old 07-06-2016, 07:34 PM
 
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Because of wishful thinking, extreme continuous cultural envelopment in the idea since birth, and terror of death. Add natural human imagination and there you have it.

This is typical of atheists.
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