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We humans have always sought to know our origin. But it's okay if we don't know at present. Eventually we will. Even now we know quite a bit about it and have useful avenues of investigation to pursue.
You still haven't demonstrated that "logical" in this context means anything other than "what I want to believe". Which isn't logic at all. It is just credulous belief without a requirement of evidence. Also known as religious faith. Which isn't remotely based in logic, evidence, facts, science, etc.
Something is not logical because you declare it over and over to BE logical.
That eternal matter is our creator. What else could it be?
Of course, the universe, life and we ourselves, had to come from somewhere, and you can use the rather loaded term 'creator', if you must. But did it intend to create us? Is it intelligent?. Does it have a Plan? That is where we differ. If you accept that there is an alternative hypothesis (neither can really be called "an explanation') without an intent or plan, then we really don't have a disagreement.
If however you don't accept that, you have to have a pretty good argument why, (and 'It doesn't make sense; it just isn't logical" isn't a good argument why) or you are not being logical.
Well, I was not referring to just human existence, but rather the universe/life/all we see and know.
Even if there is a creator of the universe, there is no evidence that it knows we exist. Even if it knows we exist, there is no evidence that it cares about us.
Therefore, even if there is a creator, it's as if that creator never existed as far as we are concerned. Any way you look at it, humans are completely inconsequential except to themselves and some other life forms on earth. The sad part about it to us is maybe that we have finally become intelligent enough to understand all of this.
It is sometimes sad to recognize the truth rather than believe lies that make us feel good. But it is always better in the long run to see things as they really are.
Nonsense. There are many other answers. You just don't like any of them.
The universe itself may well be eternal, or eternally cyclic.
Time as we know it may not exist or be irrelevant prior to the BB.
The universe could be created by an absent, indifferent or no longer extant deity rather than by your favored one. Or by a different personal invisible deity. Or by the one you think created it, but you're completely wrong about that deity's motivations and purpose in doing so, and about that deity's plans for you after death.
The universe could be proximally created / caused by a superior intellect that is not a deity.
The universe could be a simulation or "computer program".
The universe could be completely immaterial and self created.
I could go on and on.
The fact is we don't know ... at present we don't have sufficient data to say with any certainty, and so have to sit with that not knowing and uncertainty until such time (if any) as it is actually remedied.
Your answer isn't the only one, much less the only logical one, much less logical at all. It's just the only one you like. And of all the hypotheses and speculations about how the universe came to exist, it's one that is about as highly unlikely to jibe with what we DO know for sure about the universe as presently constituted and the universe's known and understood past back to the BB, as any out there.
Of course, the universe, life and we ourselves, had to come from somewhere, and you can use the rather loaded term 'creator', if you must. But did it intend to create us? Is it intelligent?. Does it have a Plan? That is where we differ. If you accept that there is an alternative hypothesis (neither can really be called "an explanation') without an intent or plan, then we really don't have a disagreement.
If however you don't accept that, you have to have a pretty good argument why, (and 'It doesn't make sense; it just isn't logical" isn't a good argument why) or you are not being logical.
What you describe could be called a "cosmic accident", no?
Even if there is a creator of the universe, there is no evidence that it knows we exist. Even if it knows we exist, there is no evidence that it cares about us.
Therefore, even if there is a creator, it's as if that creator never existed as far as we are concerned. Any way you look at it, humans are completely inconsequential except to themselves and some other life forms on earth. The sad part about it to us is maybe that we have finally become intelligent enough to understand all of this.
It is sometimes sad to recognize the truth rather than believe lies that make us feel good. But it is always better in the long run to see things as they really are.
Nonsense. There are many other answers. You just don't like any of them.
The universe itself may well be eternal, or eternally cyclic.
Time as we know it may not exist or be irrelevant prior to the BB.
The universe could be created by an absent, indifferent or no longer extant deity rather than by your favored one. Or by a different personal invisible deity. Or by the one you think created it, but you're completely wrong about that deity's motivations and purpose in doing so, and about that deity's plans for you after death.
The universe could be proximally created / caused by a superior intellect that is not a deity.
The universe could be a simulation or "computer program".
The universe could be completely immaterial and self created.
I could go on and on.
The fact is we don't know ... at present we don't have sufficient data to say with any certainty, and so have to sit with that not knowing and uncertainty until such time (if any) as it is actually remedied.
Your answer isn't the only one, much less the only logical one, much less logical at all. It's just the only one you like. And of all the hypotheses and speculations about how the universe came to exist, it's one that is about as highly unlikely to jibe with what we DO know for sure about the universe as presently constituted and the universe's known and understood past back to the BB, as any out there.
Everything you listed is either a creator or "I don't know". Based on observation, a creator is logical.
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