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Old 07-05-2016, 06:19 PM
 
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Mankind has always looked for it's source. It's just natural to want to know where we came from. Doesn't interest you?
Yes it does interest me. But if the honest answer is "we just don't have the collective ability to answer it yet"....why does it demand an answer regardless of intellectual honesty?
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Old 07-05-2016, 06:23 PM
 
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Yes it does interest me. But if the honest answer is "we just don't have the collective ability to answer it yet"....why does it demand an answer regardless of intellectual honesty?
A creator is NOT intellectually dishonest? Why would you suggest such?
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Old 07-05-2016, 07:01 PM
 
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A creator is NOT intellectually dishonest? Why would you suggest such?
If you are going to bend the common use of creator, to mean "whatever preceded the big bang"....then sure, you can do that. But realize, whatever preceded the big bang could very well be "nothing".

But the more typical meaning of creator, is a forward-planning being of some sort. A god, if you will. And usually people really mean, their own specific god. That is what I find to be intellectually dishonest...to extrapolate the unsolved questions of the universe into the personal god of choice.
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Old 07-05-2016, 07:20 PM
 
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If you are going to bend the common use of creator, to mean "whatever preceded the big bang"....then sure, you can do that. But realize, whatever preceded the big bang could very well be "nothing".
That's illogical.

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But the more typical meaning of creator, is a forward-planning being of some sort. A god, if you will. And usually people really mean, their own specific god. That is what I find to be intellectually dishonest...to extrapolate the unsolved questions of the universe into the personal god of choice.
I have not specified any god, but only a creator (of some sort).
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Old 07-05-2016, 07:29 PM
 
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That's illogical.



I have not specified any god, but only a creator (of some sort).
The question of anything before the big bang is illogical currently, since time as we know it, began with the big bang.

But again, you are giving permission for a creator to break the very rules, you say are illogical, for nothing.
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Old 07-05-2016, 07:34 PM
 
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The question of anything before the big bang is illogical currently, since time as we know it, began with the big bang.

But again, you are giving permission for a creator to break the very rules, you say are illogical, for nothing.
How so? Why can't our creator exist outside of time?
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Old 07-05-2016, 07:54 PM
 
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How so? Why can't our creator exist outside of time?
Because we don't know that there is an "outside of time". So why start putting anything into a place we don't know even exists.
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Old 07-05-2016, 08:12 PM
 
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Because we don't know that there is an "outside of time". So why start putting anything into a place we don't know even exists.
Well, something must have existed before time, to spark the Big Bang, no?
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Old 07-05-2016, 08:18 PM
 
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Well, something must have existed before time, to spark the Big Bang, no?
Not necessarily.

What existed before the big bang? | HowStuffWorks

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What existed before the big bang? It's still an open question. Perhaps nothing. Perhaps another universe or a different version of our own. Perhaps a sea of universes, each with a different set of laws dictating its physical reality.
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Old 07-05-2016, 08:38 PM
 
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Nothing in that article negates a creator. Just more "We don't know..."
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