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Old 04-16-2021, 02:26 PM
 
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Ask the people of Cuba. Almost all the people on these forums live in democracies where religion has some power. Ranging from Sweden where 75% are atheists to the States which is the most religious nation in the developed world. Maybe Japan is less religious than Sweden. I had read somewhere that the Czech Republic is almost all atheists.

Why should a government have any thoughts on if a God exists or not? It exists for all people, majority and minority, male and female and religious or not.

Perhaps compare democracies in countries that are mostly religious to those where the population is most atheists and perhaps through in Canada somewhat u in the Middle with just over 50% believing in a God. Compare the freedoms of the people and how democratic the nation. Sounds like you'd get a better answer than trying to spread fear and misinformation. There are other countries v that are even ranked freer than the States in World rankings. But you need to stop looking at non democratic nations to answer how carp theism works with democracy
A nation where there is a profound difference among its different groups will tend to have turmoil.
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Old 04-16-2021, 02:32 PM
 
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ah ... people that say atheism has problems are promoting evil. I only hear that from religion-ist type people. what they believe in seems to be far less of an issue.

yeah ... my case is rested

some atheist are as dangerous as some theist.
As we see.
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Old 04-16-2021, 02:38 PM
 
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lets see. compare countries with 10xs the population to considerably less populated nations. Yeah, thats a plan.

Now let compare anti-religious governments, theist run, and freedom of religion governments with 100 million or more people to contend with.
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Old 04-16-2021, 03:37 PM
 
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Multicultural societies have a lot to navigate and negotiate. It is not an easy task. And even if the culture was one there are factions that want what they want at the expense of others. The atheists are just one among a plurality of cultures. And the atheists can be as intolerant as any of the other groups.
In a multicultural society it is easier to be a minority member than in a mono cultural one. Usually there is more tolerance, more views and approaches.

We know from history and modern theocracy nations that a nation dominated by religion is not good for democracy. From that we cannot infer that a mostly atheists society will be intolerant.
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Old 04-16-2021, 03:46 PM
 
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A nation where there is a profound difference among its different groups will tend to have turmoil.
Does that make Canada country filled with turmoil? Two major languages and history, two different beaches of Christianity, Catholic and Protestant. No civil war. A very peaceful country in which sense of community is strong. Almost equal numbers of non believers as believers, part of the country has three official languages.

History shows that a country with a vast majority of one culture can also be full of turmoil. The history of France for example with the slaughter of the Huganauts or the Catharsis for example.

But this has nothing to do with FFRF.

Are there any examples of an atheists dominated democracy ending freedoms for religions?
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Old 04-16-2021, 05:25 PM
 
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Does that make Canada country filled with turmoil? Two major languages and history, two different beaches of Christianity, Catholic and Protestant. No civil war. A very peaceful country in which sense of community is strong. Almost equal numbers of non believers as believers, part of the country has three official languages.

History shows that a country with a vast majority of one culture can also be full of turmoil. The history of France for example with the slaughter of the Huganauts or the Catharsis for example.

But this has nothing to do with FFRF.

Are there any examples of an atheists dominated democracy ending freedoms for religions?
If the atheist get in power they must allow religion of freedom as it is today. That is how you have peace.
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Old 04-16-2021, 05:29 PM
 
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In a multicultural society it is easier to be a minority member than in a mono cultural one. Usually there is more tolerance, more views and approaches.

We know from history and modern theocracy nations that a nation dominated by religion is not good for democracy. From that we cannot infer that a mostly atheists society will be intolerant.
Minorities (or any group)are tolerated according to their numbers. If they are small in number everybody loves them. It is like going to Chinatown as a tourist. However, if the Chinese become very large in number and they run the government then people complain.
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Old 04-16-2021, 05:34 PM
 
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If the atheist get in power they must allow religion of freedom as it is today. That is how you have peace.
If you're talking about the United States, the prospect of the "atheists getting in power" is so close to nil that it's not worth talking about. I don't even hear atheists talking about a desire for that.

If there is a worry, it's that a political group that represents itself as a religious group gets in power. And for four years that was a bit of a fear.
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Old 04-16-2021, 05:52 PM
 
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Minorities (or any group)are tolerated according to their numbers. If they are small in number everybody loves them. It is like going to Chinatown as a tourist. However, if the Chinese become very large in number and they run the government then people complain.
You may wish to rephrase this so it doesn't sound so racists and undemocratic. Probably not how you meant it to read
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Old 04-16-2021, 06:07 PM
 
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If you're talking about the United States, the prospect of the "atheists getting in power" is so close to nil that it's not worth talking about. I don't even hear atheists talking about a desire for that.

If there is a worry, it's that a political group that represents itself as a religious group gets in power. And for four years that was a bit of a fear.
Thats not what he said.

He said, if atheist get into power they must fight for freedom of religion. I, as an atheist, will sacrifice my kids and grands life for theist and atheist. I will not sacrifice, not even my life, for freedom from religion. They are two different mind sets.

Fighting to stop over organized religion is something completely different. If an atheist can't be open and honest, discuss all beliefs, using all data, that is what fundy theist do ... count me out.

That is what is he saying.
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