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Old 04-17-2021, 01:31 PM
 
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Hardly a manufactured concern. We have been fighting the imposition ever since the Sunday Blue Laws. The desire of the theocrats is ever-present. Abortion is just the current concern.
Fighting blue laws? Where? Where are you fighting this? And when did you turn to atheism from whatever it was that you were selling before? Or is this a reversal to you original state?
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Old 04-17-2021, 01:41 PM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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I googled Matt Shea, and agree on your description of him. Democracy is messy and sometimes, yeah we get Trumped. But it is the best we have got.
We also have a right to free speech, which i think is misused and becomes merely hate speech. But I still would not want Americans to lose that right.
As for prayer at council meetings, one is not required to say it so how is that an imposition?
A secular society only means the state does not sponsor any religion. It provides for freedom to practice any religion, or no religion. My right to practice my religion does not supersede yours, nor does your wish to practice no-religion.
How is it an imposition to attend a city council meeting and have it open with a religious prayer? Not all citizens are members of that religion, no matter which religion it is. Why not just keep the religion out of government and in private life, where it belongs?
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Old 04-17-2021, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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How is it an imposition to attend a city council meeting and have it open with a religious prayer? Not all citizens are members of that religion, no matter which religion it is. Why not just keep the religion out of government and in private life, where it belongs?
Exactly. I had to put up with it at our HOA meetings.
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Old 04-17-2021, 02:20 PM
 
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Exactly. I had to put up with it at our HOA meetings.
I'd have been tempted to insist that I be allowed to read a Bible passage, and then read Matthew 6:5.
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Old 04-17-2021, 02:22 PM
 
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Fighting blue laws? Where? Where are you fighting this? And when did you turn to atheism from whatever it was that you were selling before? Or is this a reversal to you original state?
Its simple CB. When we can state laws without the word "god said so" they are generally more reliable than those laws that can't be stated as such.
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Old 04-17-2021, 02:33 PM
 
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How is it an imposition to attend a city council meeting and have it open with a religious prayer? Not all citizens are members of that religion, no matter which religion it is. Why not just keep the religion out of government and in private life, where it belongs?
Because a secular state only means there will be no state sponsored religion. It also means respect for all religions equally. We also have freedom to practice religion. We do a lot of private things in public such as kiss and hold hands that normally belongs in private. We just cant get naked, that will be a no no.
Religion is an important part of life for many. Just as sexual orientation is for many.
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Old 04-17-2021, 02:39 PM
 
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Because a secular state only means there will be no state sponsored religion. It also means respect for all religions equally. We also have freedom to practice religion. We do a lot of private things in public such as kiss and hold hands that normally belongs in private. We just cant get naked, that will be a no no.
Religion is an important part of life for many. Just as sexual orientation is for many.
That is really all that s being asked.

Religion should be as powerful as the local youth Lacrosse league.
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Old 04-17-2021, 02:39 PM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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Because a secular state only means there will be no state sponsored religion. It also means respect for all religions equally. We also have freedom to practice religion. We do a lot of private things in public such as kiss and hold hands that normally belongs in private. We just cant get naked, that will be a no no.
Religion is an important part of life for many. Just as sexual orientation is for many.
So it's OK for a local government to sponsor a religion?
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Old 04-17-2021, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Because a secular state only means there will be no state sponsored religion. It also means respect for all religions equally. We also have freedom to practice religion. We do a lot of private things in public such as kiss and hold hands that normally belongs in private. We just cant get naked, that will be a no no.
Religion is an important part of life for many. Just as sexual orientation is for many.
That's a ramble, not an answer.
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Old 04-17-2021, 02:45 PM
 
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So it's OK for a local government to sponsor a religion?
Well if i went to my town meeting and wanted to say an atheist prayer, i bet they will let me do it. Or a muslim prayer. Equal respect, not no respect for religion. In any case, isnt it true that Atheists only have no god-belief but they have nothing against religion? I bet i have heard this said many times. I find it terribly confusing but apparently it is so.
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