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There is a secular side to christmas and a religious side.
But again, you are trying to worm out of the topic of FFRF.
Yes, you are a correct. And a nativity scene can be as secular as the Xmas tree. To try to split hairs is being anal. How about an angel blowing a trumpet? Is that religious or secular? I think it is silly to make a big deal about that. There are much bigger fish to fry than that. Hmm. how about the fish? Is that accepted or not?
The topic is FFRP and this applies. This is a direct critique to their philosophy and hidden agenda.
Yes, you are a correct. And a nativity scene can be as secular as the Xmas tree. To try to split hairs is being anal. How about an angel blowing a trumpet? Is that religious or secular? I think it is silly to make a big deal about that. There are much bigger fish to fry than that. Hmm. how about the fish? Is that accepted or not?
The topic is FFRP and this applies. This is a direct critique to their philosophy and hidden agenda.
How is the Jesus nativity scene secular? How is an angel secular?
There is no hidden agenda. They publicize everything they do.
How is the Jesus nativity scene secular? How is an angel secular?
There is no hidden agenda. They publicize everything they do.
It is secular because for the overwhelming majority of people it is secular. It is cultural Phet. The nativity is as cultural as Santa. Why split hairs? Who cares where the custom came from?
To say I celebrate Xmas on secular manner by excluding some Xmas symbols is like watching half of the movie. Symbols are just symbols to affirm culture. Otherwise, they are meaningless. I am Christian and you could put a billion menorahs in city hall and I would not care one bit. It is culture! I thought you loved diversity.
It is secular because for the overwhelming majority of people it is secular. It is cultural Phet. The nativity is as cultural as Santa. Why split hairs? Who cares where the custom came from?
To say I celebrate Xmas on secular manner by excluding some Xmas symbols is like watching half of the movie. Symbols are just symbols to affirm culture. Otherwise, they are meaningless. I am Christian and you could put a billion menorahs in city hall and I would not care one bit. It is culture! I thought you loved diversity.
No sense of continuing this Julian. I cannot agree with almost anything you say on this topic.
In my side interest in collecting and antiques, I have run into people who collect vintage Christmas collectibles. I've know a few people that only collect secular things. No Nativity scenes. No crosses. No angels. Lots of Santa, reindeer, shiny ornaments, pretty figural light bulbs, but no religious items. Yes, there is a religious and a secular aspect to Christmas, regardless of what any of you think. The courts have even recognized the difference in what displays have been allowed on public property. The FFRF seems to have no trouble recognizing what is secular and what is religious.
How is the Jesus nativity scene secular? How is an angel secular?
There is no hidden agenda. They publicize everything they do.
Phet:
All that imagery is mythological, it is a legend. Hence anything can symbolize Xmas. The symbols are cultural. An angel is no more or less a symbol of Xmas than the tree or the camel in the nativity scene. Once you accept Xmas as secular all the symbols have the same meaning.
In my side interest in collecting and antiques, I have run into people who collect vintage Christmas collectibles. I've know a few people that only collect secular things. No Nativity scenes. No crosses. No angels. Lots of Santa, reindeer, shiny ornaments, pretty figural light bulbs, but no religious items. Yes, there is a religious and a secular aspect to Christmas, regardless of what any of you think. The courts have even recognized the difference in what displays have been allowed on public property. The FFRF seems to have no trouble recognizing what is secular and what is religious.
My wife collects nativity scenes. ON Xmas there are all over the house as well as the front and backyard.
The courts decided in that manner because they did not want others to be offended. That may be true for prayer in public schools and I agree with that. However, I do not think it is a big deal to place a nativity scene in a public square. In our culture both the Xmas tree and the Nativity scene represent Xmas. Why one and not the other? Because the Xmas tree is not in the bible??? Are we giving that much importance to that??? Why? Both the Xmas tree and the Nativity scene have the same origin. They are man made symbols, nothing else. Why not celebrate secular Xmas with all the bells and whistles? I don't get it.
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No sense of continuing this Julian. I cannot agree with almost anything you say on this topic.
That is because you are too dogmatic. Now you realize why the Catholic Church does not accept women as priests. They are as dogmatic or as religious as you are.
You celebrate secular Xmas with a tree in your living room , you said that once before. Why not put an angel blowing the trumpet or the baby Jesus in a pile of hay? The Xmas remains secular no matter what you do.
My wife collects nativity scenes. ON Xmas there are all over the house as well as the front and backyard. I
The courts decided in that manner because they did not want others to be offended. That may be true for prayer in public schools and I agree with that. However, I do not think it is a big deal to place a nativity scene in a public square. In our culture both the Xmas tree and the Nativity scene represent Xmas. Why one and not the other? Because the Xmas tree is not in the bible??? Are we giving that much importance to that??? Why? Both the Xmas tree and the Nativity scene have the same origin. They are man made symbols, nothing else. Why not celebrate secular Xmas with all the bells and whistles? I don't get it.
The Coca-Cola logo is a man-made symbol, but that doesn’t make it religious.
My wife collects nativity scenes. ON Xmas there are all over the house as well as the front and backyard. I
The courts decided in that manner because they did not want others to be offended. That may be true for prayer in public schools and I agree with that. However, I do not think it is a big deal to place a nativity scene in a public square. In our culture both the Xmas tree and the Nativity scene represent Xmas. Why one and not the other? Because the Xmas tree is not in the bible??? Are we giving that much importance to that??? Why? Both the Xmas tree and the Nativity scene have the same origin. They are man made symbols, nothing else. Why not celebrate secular Xmas with all the bells and whistles? I don't get it.
Julian, I understand your frustration with the unreasonable court rulings about this "pseudo-establishment of religion" nonsense. I have yet to have anyone explain to me in a clear and unmistakable fashion how exactly these displays imposed religion on them? How were they harmed, or hurt, or inconvenienced, or required to believe in any religion, or were otherwise put upon by them?
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