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I'm not terribly concerned with what "some atheists" do or think, honestly.
I wasn't answering for them, nor would I ever try to. I was answering for me and only me.
Yeah, many people are only worried about themselves. People like me are just trying to sort out the noise and use the best information we can to form a belief. In a belief forum that is.
If we are trying to be as logical as we can. Then its simple.
What is more reliable? What matches what we see better? What matches our experiences better?
bold above, ahhhhhh would that be the way atheists "ask theists what they think and feel, and then actually believe them" ????
"... we are only responding to theists ..."
lmao, can you imagine trying to even sell atheism as that? "just trust me" on this, it feels so good it must be right." Its like selling a dude died and rose.
As we are responding to religious claims, we already usually (emphasis on that usually) know what they think and feel, because they tell us.
And in any case you are responding to an ad hominem. If it is right for theists to listen and respect atheists, and some hypothetical atheist doesn't do the inverse, that neither justifies nor excuses theists continuing to not listen or be respectful to us. So "what-about-ism" is not the thing for theists to deploy here. You can always find or invent a specific counterexample to wag your finger at but that does not invalidate the actual point under discussion. It is either valid, or it is not.
bold above, ahhhhhh would that be the way atheists "ask theists what they think and feel, and then actually believe them" ????
There is a large difference in discussing belief between a believer that thinks and feels and the believers who know and their belief is a fact. The former one accepts their feelings and thoughts and the latter not so much so.
Do you accept an atheist saying they do not believe in a God due to lack of sufficient evidence? Have you personally ever told them that there was sufficient evidence for they to believe in a God? Never done that?
There is a large difference in discussing belief between a believer that thinks and feels and the believers who know and their belief is a fact. The former one accepts their feelings and thoughts and the latter not so much so.
Do you accept an atheist saying they do not believe in a God due to lack of sufficient evidence? Have you personally ever told them that there was sufficient evidence for they to believe in a God? Never done that?
Yes, until such time as we start listing observations for what we believe in. "I don't know that stuff so ... " is fine for the first 100 or so posts. But when we get to years and years and thousands of them, at some point we have look in the mirror and be honest.
But we both know that doesn't bode well for the faithful. Be them my-god-only or no-my-type-of-god-only believers.
Yes, until such time as we start listing observations for what we believe in. "I don't know that stuff so ... " is fine for the first 100 or so posts. But when we get to years and years and thousands of them, at some point we have look in the mirror and be honest.
But we both know that doesn't bode well for the faithful. Be them my-god-only or no-my-type-of-god-only believers.
Once again I do not really understand what your post means
Once again I do not really understand what your post means
I believe you do. I believe your are willfully ignoring logical processes to sway people to your statement of belief about god.
I deal with open and honest evaluation of all belief using all evidence. List the claims. What one matches what we see better.
Does "I honestly don't know squat about anything" match what we see better than my belief in some thing more is going on around us? When does the position "I don't know squat." actually hold any weight in evaluations?
Ask yourself this badland .
At what point do we tell people that don't know squat to sit down and be quite or go try and learn something and come back to discuss what we are saying?
100 posts?
5 years?
h0ow about 1000's of posts overs years and years across many sites?
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I believe you do. I believe your are willfully ignoring logical processes to sway people to your statement of belief about god.
I deal with open and honest evaluation of all belief using all evidence. List the claims. What one matches what we see better.
Does "I honestly don't know squat about anything" match what we see better than my belief in some thing more is going on around us? When does the position "I don't know squat." actually hold any weight in evaluations?
Ask yourself this badland .
At what point do we tell people that don't know squat to sit down and be quite or go try and learn something and come back to discuss what we are saying?
100 posts?
5 years?
h0ow about 1000's of posts overs years and years across many sites?
How can I determine whether I don't know to some unclear claim? Something more must mean something to you but lacks any substance.
And repeating something more for thousands of posts across various forums does nothing to explain what you mean. To me there is no logical difference between I don't know and something more without any idea what is meant by that.
Can you see my problem in accepting a undefined and undefinable word plus more than what. No it is not rational or logical to simply accept a undefined claim by an unknown person on the Internet.
Especially from a poster making all kinds of accusations of me and other unknown posters.
How can I determine whether I don't know to some unclear claim? Something more must mean something to you but lacks any substance.
And repeating something more for thousands of posts across various forums does nothing to explain what you mean. To me there is no logical difference between I don't know and something more without any idea what is meant by that.
Can you see my problem in accepting a undefined and undefinable word plus more than what. No it is not rational or logical to simply accept a undefined claim by an unknown person on the Internet.
Especially from a poster making all kinds of accusations of me and other unknown posters.
Lets not be coy badland. I do not respect you and I know you don't respect me. And I do not care. I only care about what you are saying in terms of a belief.
Do you think the belief that there is something more going on around us is reliable or that the reverse claim/belief is more reliable.
Where does "I do not know squat" fit/relate to these discussions. Keep in mind, I mean after thousands of posts over years and years.
Its a simple question badland. We are atheist that do not do god belief so don't even think about a deity.
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