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I would quote you scriptures where it is quite apparent what it is advocating, but it would be fruitless. You do not operate within the realm of reality. You are the epitome of contradiction. You reject the supernatural (magic) yet also reject the natural (science). You purportedly reject illogic while at the same time reject logic.
So it would be quite a waste of time for me to even address someone so inherently illogical. Good day, sir.
Seems to me that the original authors of the bible must have already had a sense of good and bad behaviors when they took to their writings. Man already knew what constituted inappropriate behavior well before the birth & writings of Christianity. Is picking up a club and bashing-in the head of your fellow cave dweller productive? What about that mammoth you need to mutually slay with your friend later this afternoon? Can't do it on your own, now can you?
So, a little bit of logical thought, facilitated by the then-recently evolved sense of abstract future-thinking we acquired from our simian ancestors, suggests that uncontrolled friend bashing "is just not done, ewld chep! It's not sporting", don't you know!
If we all just smashed and bashed for minor reasons, such as liking our friend's cute wife, so "blammo", he's gone. "Wonder why she still doesn't like me?" Common sense is why!
To assume that a lack of belief in a particular super-hero thus, ergo, leads to a total lack of ethics is frustratingly narrow, and probably determinedly & purposefully hostile on it's face. Not to mention representative of a "holier than thou" attitude, as in "only the holy" are worthy citizens; none other should represent or comment on the civilized human race.
Common sense thinking leads to common sense behavior, no secret meetings or biblical incantations required. Functional pragmatism uber-alles! Atheists are nice people too!
Isn't that what laws are? Drive too fast and you get a ticket. Rob someone and you go to jail. If you read most religious books you see that the idea is to ingrain a sense of good and decency in all mankind. Of course not all people read the Bible or Torah. Society is trying to replace religious values with secular ones. I don't know how that will work or if it will improve or hurt our country in the long run.
Laws are to be based on rational thinking, not personal biases. The bible advocates slavery, genocide and the Law. Thinking rationally about what is/isn't right or wrong actually teaches someone what actually is right and what actually is wrong. Someone doesn't need the fear of punishment or prospect of reward to act morally, although being moral based on the belief that someone will punish you if you do/don't do x action is inherently immoral since you're just blindly following whatever that authority tells someone to do.
Laws are to be based on rational thinking, not personal biases. The bible advocates slavery, genocide and the Law. Thinking rationally about what is/isn't right or wrong actually teaches someone what actually is right and what actually is wrong. Someone doesn't need the fear of punishment or prospect of reward to act morally, although being moral based on the belief that someone will punish you if you do/don't do x action is inherently immoral since you're just blindly following whatever that authority tells someone to do.
Being moral is also about what is good for oneself.
Self interest over the long run is all about the basis for laws and morality. In the short term, stealing might be good for me, but in the long term, that action will elicit an attack from the victim. So, I don't steal so I won't be stolen from or attacked. Same goes for most decisions we make. I am kind to people because in the long run, my kindness will be repaid by someone else. Also, I don't allow others to take advantage of me, because in the long run, I won't be in a good position if I do. Morality is all about making choices over the long-term benefit to oneself and ones clan (because being in good standing in one's clan benefits oneself).
The problem with religion-enforced morality is that the advantage is too often to someone else and to my own disadvantage. It isn't really moral to cede my choices to an authority that is not fair. The basis of law is to reach a middle ground where I need to cede some things so I may have a fair chance overall. Tyranny is never moral, whether is is based on religion or a dictatorship.
I would quote you scriptures where it is quite apparent what it is advocating, but it would be fruitless. You do not operate within the realm of reality. You are the epitome of contradiction. You reject the supernatural (magic) yet also reject the natural (science). You purportedly reject illogic while at the same time reject logic.
So it would be quite a waste of time for me to even address someone so inherently illogical. Good day, sir.
You don't have an answer, so you just stop playing the game? That's telling.
I don't deny the supernatural. I believe God is not part of the natural universe--so by definition he is supernatural.
I don't deny science, either. Traditionally, the leading scientists in the world have been Christians. I reject humanistic science that accounts for the unproven theories of the godless creation of the universe, abiogenesis, and evolution.
I embrace logic. I have yet to see many atheists on this board that will actually think logically. when I provide an argument that they cannot answer, they instead just call it stupid and ignore it.
You don't have an answer, so you just stop playing the game? That's telling.
I don't deny the supernatural. I believe God is not part of the natural universe--so by definition he is supernatural.
I don't deny science, either. Traditionally, the leading scientists in the world have been Christians. I reject humanistic science that accounts for the unproven theories of the godless creation of the universe, abiogenesis, and evolution.
Wrong.....Traditionally the Christian faith persecuted scientists and denied science
I embrace logic. I have yet to see many atheists on this board that will actually think logically. when I provide an argument that they cannot answer, they instead just call it stupid and ignore it.
Could that be because your arguments are based on myth rather than fact? Logical minds generally do not accept myth except as entertainment
Deny evolution all you want, but you use the products of evolution daily. If fact you are one of those products and proof of evolution exists within your own body.
Deny evolution all you want, but you use the products of evolution daily. If fact you are one of those products and proof of evolution exists within your own body.
I would say you can deny God all you want, but you use products of creation daily--including your own body.
I would say you can deny God all you want, but you use products of creation daily--including your own body.
Don't believe in evolution? Then why do you have the remnants of a tail?
I'll tell ya what...I'd believe in creation if men actually had one less rib than a woman.
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