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Old 09-27-2008, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Mozart271 wrote:

It's true that his Presidency wasn't very successful but he's done alot of good things since he left office. When I think of most ex-Presidents I always think of golf because that's how they seem to spend alot of their time. Jimmy Carter helped to build houses for low income people and has been involved in many worthwhile causes.
I don't know if Palin plays golf or not but if she wants to fit into the country club set of wealthy politicians I imagine she'll have to learn how. The problem is that we know so little about this woman and the election is just around the corner. Of course we know alot about McCain and can easily make a decision based on his record of many years in politics but he is an elderly man and although he appears to be healthy it makes the VP choice alot more important in my opinion and I think his choice was a poor one.
Traveling around the world to rogue nations that hate America and apologizing for our actions. Carter is an embarassment to this Nation. He should have kept farming, that would have been a better contribution.

godspeed

freedom

 
Old 09-28-2008, 05:31 AM
 
Location: Somewhere out there
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Hey! Sanspeur! I KNEW you had some Canuck edumakation in you! Good on you, eh? Old buddy old pal! Where in Beaver Heaven do you live? I was from YVR! Spent my youth fixin' old British sports cars. Shoulda brought 2 new Morgans and a Sunbeam Tiger or three as "settler's effects" when I moved down here. To avoid the bankrupt health care system (No, it really ain't in good financial health. People think it's great if they simply survive. Ever seen the medical technology at, say, The Mayo Clinic? Best in the world, inarguably. Come-on now; let's not have to get into a Evo-Creationist type debate about that!). Having said that, I find, as I said, the US corporate health care system spectacularly in favor (sorry old pal, "favour"...) of the healthy, and lethally biased towards those of us who've had, for example, a kidney stone or 5. When you change jobs they want to drop you like a hot stone. As an evolved society, we really do need some form of universal health care here, tho not the Canuck / British open cheque-book (see! I remember how to spell stuff!) policy that oldsters and your wade-ashore immigrants over-utilize. (Ours clamber over a very short fence...)

But I found the apologist attitude puky: ("Well if there's one thing we're NOT, is... we're NOT Americans, dammit! Now, back to beer drinking, eh guys?"). I'm fond of saying that if Canada had not been living in the shadow of a massive military protectorate for the past 60 years, and had to literally go it on their own, you'd all be speaking Chinese or Russian now. True true! And of course, as a fanatical fan of aerospace technology, the Avro Arrow still burns me to the core; what a dill-weed that Dief was! I always wanted to make a big RC model of said Arrow, fitted with a mini-electric Gatling gun, and then strafe his gravesite in Winnipeg every year on the anniversary of Black Friday.

I love the American political spirit, gung-ho can-do approach (tho look where "W's gung-ho" has gotten us in Iraq...). Of course we're not perfect, but then neither is Canada. I've hardly heard the phrase "labor strike" here in over 20 years. I can own and carry firearms as a law-abiding citizen, and America's habit of strong navel-gazing, open admission of problems and self correcting activities will continue to make us a strong nation. If this were, say. N. Korea right now, the administration would cover up such things as Wall Street's little mistakes (!!!), and would just continue on into true bankruptcy. We'll work it out. You'll see. Meantime, got a few bucks or some extra natural gas to spare? Hey... come on! We've protected you for free all these years! And we've also got some pretty good hockey teams, tho no curlers to speak of...

And, in the good ol' spirit of IH, I also know I can always run back to Mamma, if the healthcare system here really won't let me in the hospital door when I git real old!

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Old 09-28-2008, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Nashville, Tn
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freedom wrote:
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Traveling around the world to rogue nations that hate America and apologizing for our actions. Carter is an embarassment to this Nation. He should have kept farming, that would have been a better contribution.
I've done alot of traveling overseas and have had many conversations with people from other countries about politics. It's really an eye opening experience to realize how much of the world views the policies and the behavior of America. Jimmy Carter was highly respected by citizens of other nations, Ronald Reagan and both Bushes are not. America has intervened militarily many times in small nations, particularly in Latin America for purely selfish and economic reasons and has switched sides when it's convenient for our self interest. Remember that we supported Iraq in it's war with Iran and even supplied them with weapons. We also supported the Shah of Iran who tortured and brutalized his own citizens and it's not particularly surprising that a great many of them hate us for it. While it's true that America's greatest contribution to the world may have been it's part in World War II with Britain, Canada and our other allies who defeated the Nazis and literally saved the world but it's also true that we have a history in modern times of some very irresponsible and destructive behavior. Jimmy Carter's failures were mainly the economic difficulties that existed while he was in office but he is a fair minded humanitarian who seeks to resolve international issues as opposed to projecting America's domination by military means.
 
Old 09-28-2008, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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freedom wrote:

I've done alot of traveling overseas and have had many conversations with people from other countries about politics. It's really an eye opening experience to realize how much of the world views the policies and the behavior of America. Jimmy Carter was highly respected by citizens of other nations, Ronald Reagan and both Bushes are not. America has intervened militarily many times in small nations, particularly in Latin America for purely selfish and economic reasons and has switched sides when it's convenient for our self interest. Remember that we supported Iraq in it's war with Iran and even supplied them with weapons. We also supported the Shah of Iran who tortured and brutalized his own citizens and it's not particularly surprising that a great many of them hate us for it. While it's true that America's greatest contribution to the world may have been it's part in World War II with Britain, Canada and our other allies who defeated the Nazis and literally saved the world but it's also true that we have a history in modern times of some very irresponsible and destructive behavior. Jimmy Carter's failures were mainly the economic difficulties that existed while he was in office but he is a fair minded humanitarian who seeks to resolve international issues as opposed to projecting America's domination by military means.
Here are some of his friends that hate us.

Carter Meets With Hamas Chief In Exile, Defying Israel and U.S. - washingtonpost.com

Castro Welcomes Jimmy Carter to Cuba

http://voices.kansascity.com/node/1042
 
Old 09-28-2008, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Nashville, Tn
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Freedom,
Why don't you tell me what's wrong with Jimmy Carter's activities in your own words instead of providing links to something that someone else has said? As far as Cuba is concerned there're the only real communist nation besides North Korea that exists today. China is communist in name only and is just as capatalistic as America. Why not make an effort to improve relations considering the fact that Fidel's brother is now running the nation and this is a nation who has clung to a failed economic system even though Russia realized years ago that it simply doesn't work and the competitive forces of capitalism are actually very effective. I think it's simply ignorant to ignore this island that is right next door to Florida and to act as though we're in the middle of the cold war when that era has been gone for many years. Also, if we could influence Cuba and extend a hand of friendship and cooperation it's quite possible that we could help them as well as ourselves.
As far as the Middle East is concerned I do recognize that Hamas is clearly a terrorist organization but we need to face reality and realize that they are a powerful and influential entity in that part of the world and that the life of the average Palestinian is a life of misery and poverty. Who would we talk to about this situation if it wasn't Hamas? A couple of years ago they won the elections in Palestine and are a major political force. I do support the right of Israel to exist and I can understand why they're building the wall around their nation but I think it's just plain stupid to ignore the rights of Palestinians and their legitimate right to have their own nation.
 
Old 09-28-2008, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Freedom, Do you think Canada is evil because we are on friendly terms with Cuba, a great place to vacation by the way.
 
Old 09-28-2008, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Freedom, Do you think Canada is evil because we are on friendly terms with Cuba, a great place to vacation by the way.
Not concerned with Canada. I don't have a vote there.

godspeed,

freedom
 
Old 09-28-2008, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Freedom,
Why don't you tell me what's wrong with Jimmy Carter's activities in your own words instead of providing links to something that someone else has said?
He has no business as an ex President doing things that go against the current administration, he no longer has access to security briefings, he has no administrative powers and is legitimizing rogue nations and their destructive pursuits. He should keep farming and leave the diplomacy to those that were elected. At a minimum represent the US when invited by the Administration rather than lone ranger diplomacy.

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As far as Cuba is concerned there're the only real communist nation besides North Korea that exists today.
You left out vietnam, lao and half a dozen african nations... included in the socialist Lenin-Marx formats (communist) are many Arab nations.


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China is communist in name only and is just as capatalistic as America.
LOL... i'll let the Chinese people know that they are no longer under Communism.... they'll like to know that... especially those that are persecuted for their religious beliefs and those that would like to leave that capitalist nation....
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Why not make an effort to improve relations considering the fact that Fidel's brother is now running the nation and this is a nation who has clung to a failed economic system even though Russia realized years ago that it simply doesn't work and the competitive forces of capitalism are actually very effective. I think it's simply ignorant to ignore this island that is right next door to Florida and to act as though we're in the middle of the cold war when that era has been gone for many years. Also, if we could influence Cuba and extend a hand of friendship and cooperation it's quite possible that we could help them as well as ourselves.
I'm all for better relations, but if you ask the Naturalized Cuban immigrants they aren't for normalized relations.
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As far as the Middle East is concerned I do recognize that Hamas is clearly a terrorist organization but we need to face reality and realize that they are a powerful and influential entity in that part of the world and that the life of the average Palestinian is a life of misery and poverty. Who would we talk to about this situation if it wasn't Hamas? A couple of years ago they won the elections in Palestine and are a major political force. I do support the right of Israel to exist and I can understand why they're building the wall around their nation but I think it's just plain stupid to ignore the rights of Palestinians and their legitimate right to have their own nation.
They have their own nation, its called Jordan. Gaza and the West bank would make a terrible home land, as Israel controls all the water and resources. The Palestinians are pawns of the Arab world to distract their own people from their oppressive lives, the entire Arab and Persian empires can all say, well at least your not Palestinians.... here are your bread crumbs...
I've lived in Saudia Arabia which is one of the better oppressive nations and no one from America would ever say that they have it good. Unless your one of the 6,000 princes and part of the house of Saud'.
People that hate America are jealous or have a agenda of oppression, and Carter knows that, his goal is to embarass nothing more.

godspeed,

freedom
 
Old 09-28-2008, 10:34 PM
 
Location: Earth
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All of Europe is on good terms with Cuba.
The US is the culprit in that relationship; they've cow-towed to Cubans in Florida at this time.

All relations are complex, not like Faux News portrays them.
 
Old 09-28-2008, 11:50 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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All of Europe is on good terms with Cuba.
The US is the culprit in that relationship; they've cow-towed to Cubans in Florida at this time.

All relations are complex, not like Faux News portrays them.
i would think that those that came from Cuba would know what was best for them.

godspeed,

freedom
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