The Fool hath said in his heart 'there is no god.' (Jehovah, Mormon)
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Have you ever wondered if theists(not all of them) are the fools?
I don't wonder, I know. Anyone who bases their entire life and worldview on blind faith in an unsubstantiated text, of which there are many, often contradicting each other, is a fool, regardless of the existence or nonexistence of a god. That is not to say that all theists are fools (I'm agnostic so I'm not about to jump to any conclusions or judgements), however it is a fitting title for those who blinker their outlook in order to force everything to fit in line with the teachings of their respective religious text.
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Originally Posted by agnostic soldier Have you ever wondered if theists(not all of them) are the fools?
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Originally Posted by happynoodleboycey
I don't wonder, I know. Anyone who bases their entire life and worldview on blind faith in an unsubstantiated text, of which there are many, often contradicting each other, is a fool, regardless of the existence or nonexistence of a god. That is not to say that all theists are fools (I'm agnostic so I'm not about to jump to any conclusions or judgements), however it is a fitting title for those who blinker their outlook in order to force everything to fit in line with the teachings of their respective religious text.
(Surely, the sinners used to laugh at the believers.
And whenever they passed by them, used to wink at each other [in mockery.]
And when they returned to their families, they returned blithely.
And when they saw them [in their way] they said [pointing to the believers], `These, indeed, are in manifest error.'
But they [: the disbelievers] were not sent as recorders over them [: over the believers; but infact there are the recording angels whose duty is to record their work and words.]
So this day [of Judgment, it is] the believers [who] do laugh at the unbelievers.
On couches, looking [to the trees, birds and palaces of Paradise.]
Have the unbelievers been rewarded for what [gifts, presents and sacrifices for their idols] they had worked [in the life of the World?] [No, they haven't. Actually they have been punished.])
Yes, the chairs here are rather comfy aren't they (visions of Monty Python's 'Spanish Inquisition, "Cardinal Fang. Fetch....THE COMFY CHAIR!!") Mind you, they could do with a good A/C unit to deal with all the hot air that floating around here.
(Surely, the sinners used to laugh at the believers.
And whenever they passed by them, used to wink at each other [in mockery.]
And when they returned to their families, they returned blithely.
And when they saw them [in their way] they said [pointing to the believers], `These, indeed, are in manifest error.'
But they [: the disbelievers] were not sent as recorders over them [: over the believers; but infact there are the recording angels whose duty is to record their work and words.]
So this day [of Judgment, it is] the believers [who] do laugh at the unbelievers.
On couches, looking [to the trees, birds and palaces of Paradise.]
Have the unbelievers been rewarded for what [gifts, presents and sacrifices for their idols] they had worked [in the life of the World?] [No, they haven't. Actually they have been punished.])
"Before Your Eyes"??????? Is THAT what the Islamic Faith Teaches You? It's Wrong!
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Originally Posted by eanassir
I say to them: have you seen this evolution yourself? I mean: have you seen the species evolving before your eyes from species to another as do they claim?
eanassir; generally I give Muslims credit for holding to a somewhat more clear-headed scientific examination of the world around them than you demonstrate. They were, once, thousands of years ago, relative to the other tent-dwelling, dung-burning mythic-Gawd worshipping cultures around them, more advanced in their observations and understanding.
All this was transient, of course, because the Greeks, then the Romans, and then Western Europe, surpassed all of these desert cultures. For instance, Muslims never sailed the ocean's oceans as did the Norsemen, the Spanyards, the British, the Chineses and Japanese. They were, so to speak, sand-bound. And now, sand-headed! You prove it quite conclusively.
Once those enlightened European citizens threw off the robes of religious [Christian] terror and fear and endless, mindless suppression of knowledge, the Age of Enlightenment began. It resulted in adoption of the scientific process, for which there will be no end of useful results. The accumulation of knowledge is unstoppable, people are too curious, the results too valuable.
Given a dozen more generations, religion with it's worker-bee, drone-like adherance to ancient silly strictures and rote-spouted scripture, will be quite dead. Since it relies on uneducated people, it will hang on in the Middle East and in backwards, suppressed, warring cultures, but the West's technical advancement in medicine, war technology [sad but true], communications (web, satellite & cell phones), space travel, computers, genetic medicine and all the basic sciences is proof of the value of open-minded curiosity managed by a peer-reviewed, standardized Q&A process. The fact that Islam depends on the uneducated is no better proven than by your incredibly mindless quote about evolution.
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As regards your quote above, which I highlighted in blue, Do you really, honestly and factually believe that's what any evolutionary biologist, any scientist has ever taught?
Truly, eanassir, is that how you think Evolution works? Do you actually think you should see a cat turn into a dog before your eyes, or a cow give birth to a coyote? Are you being honest with us, or are you lying for dramatic effect?
Do you have even the most basic understanding of DNA mutations? Do you even know what DNA is, how it's structured, and what processes lead to the mutations in it's structure that we can easily observe in any lab, any day, any time? Because once those mutations happen, the rest happens like clockwork. The logic is inescapable. Do you want to know the truth?
Please do answer me this specific question. Do you really believe that's how Evolution works? Before your eyes?
Because if you do not understand the basics about a technically complex subject, how on earth can you discredit it, unless you're simply doing the bidding of your spiritual masters. Which leads to another question?: is that how you deal with the world around you? In blind obedience to the thinking of others?
Therefore, man should beware, lest they should drag him to drown him with them.
Good quote, actually, but of course it certainly does not apply to the scientific world. If anyone has been dragged down, it would appear to be you, eanassir. To be so very wrong about the basis for life on this earth, to be so defensive of a completely incorrect interpretation of it, is to have not only been dragged down, but then to have been stomped on by the goats of ignorance.
My quote? "Dust is there to be left in"
Last edited by rifleman; 08-15-2009 at 09:26 AM..
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(Surely, the sinners used to laugh at the believers.
And whenever they passed by them, used to wink at each other [in mockery.]
And when they returned to their families, they returned blithely.
And when they saw them [in their way] they said [pointing to the believers], `These, indeed, are in manifest error.'
But they [: the disbelievers] were not sent as recorders over them [: over the believers; but infact there are the recording angels whose duty is to record their work and words.]
So this day [of Judgment, it is] the believers [who] do laugh at the unbelievers.
On couches, looking [to the trees, birds and palaces of Paradise.]
Have the unbelievers been rewarded for what [gifts, presents and sacrifices for their idols] they had worked [in the life of the World?] [No, they haven't. Actually they have been punished.])
Islam has created a dark ages in the Arabic world. The fundementalist believe everything a person needs to know can be learned from the Koran. Consequently, there is no science coming from the middle east, and there are only a handful of scientific journals published in Arabic.
Islam has created a dark ages in the Arabic world. The fundementalist believe everything a person needs to know can be learned from the Koran. Consequently, there is no science coming from the middle east, and there are only a handful of scientific journals published in Arabic.
Which is a shame, because I understand that at one time the Arabic world was known as a center of learning in a primitive landscape.
Which is a shame, because I understand that at one time the Arabic world was known as a center of learning in a primitive landscape.
It certanly was and it one of the method by which much of the greek learning was preserved and passed onto the west, which had lost most of of it.
What do we get now? Koran -creationism and threats of a recording angel writing all our names in a little notebook for a hoped - for later.
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Anyone who bases their entire life and worldview on blind faith in an unsubstantiated text, of which there are many, often contradicting each other, is a fool, regardless of the existence or nonexistence of a god. That is not to say that all theists are fools (I'm agnostic so I'm not about to jump to any conclusions or judgements), however it is a fitting title for those who blinker their outlook in order to force everything to fit in line with the teachings of their respective religious text.
) Mind you, they could do with a good A/C unit to deal with all the hot air that floating around here. 
"Before Your Eyes"??????? Is THAT what the Islamic Faith Teaches You? It's Wrong!
