11-02-2012, 12:07 PM
Location: Atlanta, GA (Dunwoody)
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Handicapped spaces are designated for handicapped people. I don't think using astroller means you're handicapped. I explained the conflict. You have to park the stroller between the cars, the way most parking decks are so tightly packed this cannot be done, especially if you need to use the infant seat.
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arjay57
Roslyn, I said this before but I truly don't understand the conflict between strollers and a parking deck (unless it's a poorly designed one).
A well designed deck will have plenty of handicapped spaces right near the store entrances. They'll allow ample room to load and unload, and there will be elevators only a few steps away.
Check out the interior parking deck at Lenox Marketplace, for example. It's easy in and out an all four sides of the shopping center.
I much prefer that arrangement when I'm handling a car seat, stroller or wheelchair versus attempting to traverse some big surface lot.
Plus you avoid the boiling sun and never get rained on!
11-02-2012, 12:09 PM
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I have found the reason for her thought:
See they don't believe in walkability and transit in Alabama. I know because I lived in Florence and Birmingham. Huntsville is the ultimate car-oriented, suburban sprawl city. Just try driving down University Drive anytime of the day.
You can rent ZipCars for that! They are available at both Inman Park/Reynoldstown and Edgewood/Candler Park Stations.
Can't speak for the rest of Alabama, but this development I spoke of, Providence is booming. Only for rich people, of course, but it's insanely popular.
11-02-2012, 12:09 PM
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Probably because nobody wants to walk home carrying the six foot ladder, 24 pack of bottled water, two gallons of paint, and 12 roll pack of paper towels they just bought.
That's not the typical shopping trip, however.
Of course automobiles are an important part of life in most American cities and it's silly to argue otherwise. But that doesn't mean shopping centers (like the one proposed at Glenwood) need 10 acres of surface parking.
In many places, shopping centers do just fine with no surface parking at all. There are lots of smarter ways to handle parking.
11-02-2012, 12:11 PM
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Handicapped spaces are designated for handicapped people. I don't think using astroller means you're handicapped. I explained the conflict. You have to park the stroller between the cars, the way most parking decks are so tightly packed this cannot be done, especially if you need to use the infant seat.
The parking decks at IKEA and Atlantic Station have more room in between spaces than the outdoor lots at Edgewood, Trader Joe's or even Lenox...
11-02-2012, 12:20 PM
Location: The Greatest city on Earth: City of Atlanta Proper
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arjay57
That's not the typical shopping trip, however.
Of course automobiles are an important part of life in most American cities and it's silly to argue otherwise. But that doesn't mean shopping centers (like the one proposed at Glenwood) need 10 acres of surface parking.
In many places, shopping centers do just fine with no surface parking at all. There are lots of smarter ways to handle parking.
Another great point that I forgot to mention. Shopping trips for those who don't use a car or use one infrequently are structured much differently than those who use a car 100% of the time. Instead of buying in mass and hauling a bunch of heavy stuff, one would buy only what they can easily carry. Instead of backing up the truck to haul off a heavy piece of furniture, you rent a truck or utilize the delivery service.
With the advent of reliable Internet shopping, one doesn't even need those big box stores anymore. You can just buy it online and have it delivered to your house.
11-02-2012, 12:24 PM
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I have a three foot tall step ladder that can accomplish those things (minus trimming hedges since I live in a condo building and don't do that). For jobs that require something, I've never lived in a building where the maintenance guy didn't have a tall ladder. Either they'll do it for you or you can borrow it.
Really, I see only see the need to own a tall ladder if you own a single family home. Virtually all of the surrounding area IS single family homes. Considering the context of your post, no one is buying one of those every week or even every year. It's a one time purchase if you don't by a piece of crap, so if someone who did not have access to a car to carry one back to their house after purchasing it, they most likely could ask for a favor from a friend to get back home.
OK, you're taking this to a laughable extreme. The ladder has jumped the shark. Substitute cat litter for ladder. The point is (
OBVIOUSLY ) that some purchases (probably at least half of the shopping trips to big box retailers) require a vehicle (and not a bus or train) for transport. That is one of the reasons there will be a significant number of parking spaces in whatever gets built on this site. Hopefully the parking won't be a sea of asphalt. We agree on that, so I'm not sure what your M.O. is with me.
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11-02-2012, 12:28 PM
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That's not the typical shopping trip, however.
You missed the point, too.
You guys are off your game today.
A lot of people buy in bulk, or buy several large and/or heavy items that they cannot carry while walking home. Laundry detergent, cat litter, dog food, toilet paper, etc. Even if you just buy two of those things, it could be a challenge to walk to Grant Park or EAV with them.
Remember the context. I was responding to Rosalyn's passive-aggressive response a page or two back about there being no need for ANY parking.
11-02-2012, 12:36 PM
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Can't speak for the rest of Alabama, but this development I spoke of, Providence is booming. Only for rich people, of course, but it's insanely popular.
Of course because people do not want to have to get in their car and drive for everything.
A better example of what Glenwood Park and the area is trying to accomplish in Alabama is Mount Laurel, AL (
https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&l...06968&t=h&z=18 ) but these master planned communities are expensive. That's why if 1 desires these and doesn't want to pay huge sums for it, they can purchase homes in older neighborhoods that were established before the popularity in cars.
11-02-2012, 12:57 PM
Location: Washington D.C.
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You missed the point, too.
You guys are off your game today.
A lot of people buy in bulk, or buy several large and/or heavy items that they cannot carry while walking home. Laundry detergent, cat litter, dog food, toilet paper, etc. Even if you just buy two of those things, it could be a challenge to walk to Grant Park or EAV with them.
Remember the context. I was responding to Rosalyn's passive-aggressive response a page or two back about there being no need for ANY parking.
People that live in dense urban walkable cities never carry groceries in bags. We use carts. They fold up and we pull them behind us like suitcases. It takes way less energy than loading the car, driving, unloading the car, unpacking etc. etc. We just pull the cart right up into our buildings, onto the elevator, and right up to the refrigerator in our homes. We also can make more quick trips so we don't have to buy in bulk since our stores in the city are close to where we live. Our produce stays fresher this way. This only works when stores are integrated into the city on the first floor of highrises though.
Example of a City Necessity:
http://foldingshoppingcart.biz/media.../media/033.jpg
11-02-2012, 01:00 PM
Location: Atlanta, GA (Dunwoody)
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The parking decks at IKEA and Atlantic Station have more room in between spaces than the outdoor lots at Edgewood, Trader Joe's or even Lenox...
Of course IKEA does. You have to get all that flat packed stuff in your car! Can't speak for AS. Unfortunately that's not my experiencewith most parking decks in the metro. Hospitals seem to be the worse, but even the ones at places like Perimeter are pretty horrific. Frankly before I had my second son I would never have thought of this. I didn't use the stroller as much with my first, but now that I'm holding one and pushing one, it's pretty gnarly. I either have to park the stroller behind the car, (not safe) or carry him because there's simply not enough room without bumping into the adjacent car. The combination of not enough spaces along with there not being enough of them make parking decks a major turnoff for this shopper.
Look, I have no dog in this fight. I was simply giving the perspective of a shopper. I don't think you guys do a lot of shopping, especially with kids. Do me a favor, go to a typical crowded Atlanta parking deck and try to get a kid in a stroller between cars.
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People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)