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Some well designed and constructed brownstones that interact well with the street, like those in Glenwood Park, could work in some downtown pockets. Maybe along the streetcar route. They wouldn't command $2 million price tags, though.
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Not really. I'm envisioning a couple of neighborhoods on the edge of downtown, not in the middle of it. The new properties being renovated in Harlem are examples of really expensive homes on the edge of a downtown. They don't take away from the rest of Manhattan. Maybe 2 million dollar brownstones, then? Would that make you happier? Same concept and many many downtowns have this type of single family housing. The yards would not be as sprawling but they woukd definitely be well-manicured. It also lends to the high-density concept. I say 2mil bc you want ppl that the city govt is going to want to bend over backwards for in terms of developmt. Sometimes it seems only ppl with money get any attn in our country.
I get what you're saying, LS. To me, the ideal place for this is Boulevard and Parkway in O4W. I think the days of the status quo are numbered, and I would like to see the buildings there preserved.
Totally. Or something even more revolutionary...the part of downtown south of 20. It's time for south of 20 to begin to be built up as opposed to continually further saturating the, already saturated area north of 20 and the north suburbs.. ..
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I get what you're saying, LS. To me, the ideal place for this is Boulevard and Parkway in O4W. I think the days of the status quo are numbered, and I would like to see the buildings there preserved.
Ok. We'll have to agree to disagree on what a well-maintained lawn looks like. I do believe in using a rake, having the lawn edged, etc. But that's just me. I pay someone else to do it if I'm too lazy to take care of my lawn myself. But that's just me.
Now, on to your other statement. You are obviously not knowledgeable of the reality of Chicago. No, the northside is NOT like Tuxedo Park in Atlanta. Actually, the northside is mostly working and middle class - JUST LIKE THE SOUTHSIDE. So that is the first area in which yoh are just wrong. Most of the people living in the City of Chicago are just regular working and middle class people. Just like most people living in the City of Atlanta are just working and middle-class people.
Second, did you not see all of the housing at the links listed with "S" and "W" indicators? All of that listed as "S" is southside and th s t listed as "W" is westside. The blocks shown are very representative of what it actually looks like. It is not an "urban decay," just like the north side is also not an urban decay and also does not look like Tuxedo Park in Atlanta. Tuxedo Park rivals Beverly Hills in appearance by the way (I lived less than 10 miles from Beverly Hills so I've seen it with my own eyes) and I live probably 2-3 miles from Tuxedo Park so I've checked that out too. Your statements in the post below are way off.
Furthermore, what does anything I've said have to do with segregation? But since you mentioned it, I guess you missed all of the threads on this Board in which it has been discussed time and again that all of the areas with the best schools intown are highly, highly racially segregated in terms of white and black people. This pattern replays itself in other areas as well around Atlanta. We discovered this unfortunate situation once again recently. Take a look at the populations of families in the City of Atlanta districted for Mary Lin, Morningside, Springdale Park, Sarah Smith, Brandon and Jackson in City of Atlanta and the racial make-up of those neighborhoods, the entry price point, etc. Then take a look at the rest of the City of Atlanta's schools and the racial make-up of those schools and neighborhoods. Actually, you will see that segregation is alive and well in Atlanta. The same goes for Johns Creek, East Cobb. These areas are heavily racially segregated (when viewing black vs white, which is the main way you can really compare Chicago generally). Or, better yet, look at East Cobb and West Cobb. Same county. But compare the $$$$ in the area and the racial make-up and the schools. The new segregation.
I don't know if you know this but one of the first cases of housing discrimination originated in Chicago. Chicago was a hotbed for real estate agent-directed steering of people of certain races to certain areas. It wasn't just by race but also ethnicity (polish, irish, etc). There was also redlining where ins companies would toy with v as lues and premiums. This is the reason that to this day, you have some white ethnic groups in the southwest side of the City, many blacks in the south side more east and central and going far south and other white ethnicities in neighborhoods on the north side. Even city officials were still living in the ethnicity they associated with until 15 or so years ago, I believe.
Unfortunately, Atlanta has a nasty history as well. As you might imagine, with the relics of Jim Crow. How would you imagine that the northern suburbs and north of 20 is so much more heavily white than south of 20 and the south suburbs of Atlanta (or do you think this huge phenom is pure coincidence)????
Segregation is a nasty problem that much of our country has suffered with and I really dislike it. Yet, when visitors to our Atlanta C-D Board come on talking about their race or ethnicity and asking us to basically steer them to an area of that race or ethnicity, the posters CONTINUE TO OBLIGE. This does not help Atlanta be anymore integrated and just continues segregation. I've said numerous times, I wish we would stop engaging ppl that do this. It is non-productive for the city overall.
If you understood the history of Atlanta you would see that Atlanta's Northern suburbs were always white as South of Atlanta had more of the agricultural plantation society.
Anybody who lived here in the 80"s could tell you how racist Cobb and particularly Forsyth Counties wsre.Oprah even did a show about it.
That said I don't see how Atlanta is so segregated unless you mean by income which is true but I find that if you are black and you have money it's not an issue where you live like it is in the North.
In Chicago you have neighbors actually defined by ethnicity. Polish, Italian, etc.in Atlanta you know the largest concentration of Koreans live in the Northern Gwinnett area but so does a significant population of blacks, Hispanics and whites.
What city can you name with as many blacks as Atlanta that is more integrated?
None I can think of.So it makes since that blacks all over the metro as well as.in areas where they are the majority would exist.
Especially c on every level like class.Such as wealthy black neighborhoods.
Blacks come here from all over and because Atlanta does offer something where blacks can live without judgements many times they relocate in areas where everyone looks like them.
I have Li ed in every region of the US and can honestly say that I have encountered not so much racism but just ignorance because other races expect you to like or be a certain way based on their stereotype of how you should be.
I grew up in diverse environments as well as mostly white (I'm black) but now the neighborhood home I lived in while in high school was mostly white but now very diverse with Asians, Hispanics and white while the majority is now black.
I know of no place In America where a black majority does not scare people away.Many whites do not want to be the minority. Even in a middle class area.
Look at D.C. and Prince Georges County..Same thing with a county like Clayton.
If you understood the history of Atlanta you would see that Atlanta's Northern suburbs were always white as South of Atlanta had more of the agricultural plantation society.
Anybody who lived here in the 80"s could tell you how racist Cobb and particularly Forsyth Counties wsre.Oprah even did a show about it.
That said I don't see how Atlanta is so segregated unless you mean by income which is true but I find that if you are black and you have money it's not an issue where you live like it is in the North.
In Chicago you have neighbors actually defined by ethnicity. Polish, Italian, etc.in Atlanta you know the largest concentration of Koreans live in the Northern Gwinnett area but so does a significant population of blacks, Hispanics and whites.
What city can you name with as many blacks as Atlanta that is more integrated?
None I can think of.So it makes since that blacks all over the metro as well as.in areas where they are the majority would exist.
Especially c on every level like class.Such as wealthy black neighborhoods.
Blacks come here from all over and because Atlanta does offer something where blacks can live without judgements many times they relocate in areas where everyone looks like them.
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I'm from Atlanta and when I moved to Chicago I was shocked at how segregated it was. I lived on the north side and I would literally not see black faces for days at a time. It was disconcerting. My Midwestern friends would ask me in hushed tones if stories about the racism in the south were true. I told them that I found the Atlanta area at least to be much more integrated--both in just daily life, and in socio-economic opportunities. I've seen enough graphs now to know Atlanta continues to have a huge problem with socio-economic disparity, but I would argue we still have a much larger and more integrated middle and upper middle class of African American professionals than any other city. This conversation still disturbs me: I have a very good friend who is a born and raised Chicagoan. She was looking through my photo album of my pregnancy/birth of my first child. Looking at picture of me, my husband, minutes-old baby, and the nurses and doctor, my friend asked who the young black guy was. Answer: my OBGYN. Her face--she was so confused for a second. Then she was devastated with herself. She said growing up in Chicago, she was not accustomed to seeing well-educated African Americans in professional careers. Obviously, they are there, but it's not like it is here in Atlanta. I mean, now I live in East Cobb (100% white, if posters on this forum are to be believed ) and my kids have black kids on their basketball, soccer and baseball teams, and in dance class, and karate, and in their schools--a far cry from not seeing economically successful African Americans.
Lol. Come on!! Lol. You know full well that you see black people all over Chicago. North side as well as South side. Where did you live where you went "days at a time" without seeing black people? Do tell because I was born and raised there and saw black people on the North side of the city all the time. I also know personally know of many that live on the North side. Are you talking about the actual city of Chicago or some remote faraway suburb? I cannot vouch for the far north suburbs as I did not live there and had no reason to leave the city to go there (I went to other suburbs where I had family and friends). Do tell where this place is that you describe bc honestly I think I've seen numerous posts by you about preschools in Atlanta that were just totally unbelievable and I'd like to know specifics about your claims.
Also, I am not completely sure but someone can help me. Doesn't Chicago have the largest number of African-American owned businesses in the country and an African-American middle class that rivals or exceeds Atlanta in wealth?
Sorry. I understand the body of professional African-Americans in Chicago is actually one of the largest in the country.
Sorry. I do not know where you and your friend lived but I saw and interacted with black people on the North side all the time. Daily. It was no big deal. Lol. And it was not shocking.... It is daily life in a city like all other cities. This is 2015 not 1615, 1715, 1815 or even 1915.
Please share what area of the city of Chicago you lived in and enlighten us as to how East Cobb is so much more integrated and racially diverse.
Eta: I cannot post it bc I don't know how but I just did a simple Google search and a page about "black-owned businesses" on an online publication named blackdemographics.com notes that Cook County and also City of Chicago have the largest number of those types of businesses behing LA and NY. Atlanta has a large percentage bc the city is much much smaller in number.
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I'm from Atlanta and when I moved to Chicago I was shocked at how segregated it was. I lived on the north side and I would literally not see black faces for days at a time. It was disconcerting. My Midwestern friends would ask me in hushed tones if stories about the racism in the south were true. I told them that I found the Atlanta area at least to be much more integrated--both in just daily life, and in socio-economic opportunities. I've seen enough graphs now to know Atlanta continues to have a huge problem with socio-economic disparity, but I would argue we still have a much larger and more integrated middle and upper middle class of African American professionals than any other city. This conversation still disturbs me: I have a very good friend who is a born and raised Chicagoan. She was looking through my photo album of my pregnancy/birth of my first child. Looking at picture of me, my husband, minutes-old baby, and the nurses and doctor, my friend asked who the young black guy was. Answer: my OBGYN. Her face--she was so confused for a second. Then she was devastated with herself. She said growing up in Chicago, she was not accustomed to seeing well-educated African Americans in professional careers. Obviously, they are there, but it's not like it is here in Atlanta. I mean, now I live in East Cobb (100% white, if posters on this forum are to be believed ) and my kids have black kids on their basketball, soccer and baseball teams, and in dance class, and karate, and in their schools--a far cry from not seeing economically successful African Americans.
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I'm from Atlanta and when I moved to Chicago I was shocked at how segregated it was. I lived on the north side and I would literally not see black faces for days at a time. It was disconcerting. My Midwestern friends would ask me in hushed tones if stories about the racism in the south were true. I told them that I found the Atlanta area at least to be much more integrated--both in just daily life, and in socio-economic opportunities. I've seen enough graphs now to know Atlanta continues to have a huge problem with socio-economic disparity, but I would argue we still have a much larger and more integrated middle and upper middle class of African American professionals than any other city. This conversation still disturbs me: I have a very good friend who is a born and raised Chicagoan. She was looking through my photo album of my pregnancy/birth of my first child. Looking at picture of me, my husband, minutes-old baby, and the nurses and doctor, my friend asked who the young black guy was. Answer: my OBGYN. Her face--she was so confused for a second. Then she was devastated with herself. She said growing up in Chicago, she was not accustomed to seeing well-educated African Americans in professional careers. Obviously, they are there, but it's not like it is here in Atlanta. I mean, now I live in East Cobb (100% white, if posters on this forum are to be believed ) and my kids have black kids on their basketball, soccer and baseball teams, and in dance class, and karate, and in their schools--a far cry from not seeing economically successful African Americans.
Maybe your Chicago friend is from the hood. I'm also from Chicago and there are PLENTY of well-to-do and well-educated blacks in Chicago. I know several personally, some of them being my cousins who attend or graduated from University of Chicago. One of my cousins is wealthy and pilots his own plane, builds flight simulators and works for PricewaterhouseCooper. One of my black female friends in Chicago is violinist, a PhD, and a semi-pro golfer. Another one of my friends there is also an educated violinist. I have another black friend who is a forensic pathologist.
I also have many black friends who live on the north side.
Though my jobs in Chicago I have met and interacted with several black businesses owners, doctors, lawyers, politicians and dignitaries. I could go on.
Blacks in Chicago who say they don't know any well-off blacks are from the hood and never ventured off their blocks. Many of them don't see black affluence until they move to Altanta because they didn't explore Chicago when they lived there. This is quite common.
Even the working class blacks in Chicago do well. I come from a working class family and everyone in my family owns their own home. My paternal grandparents owned their own businesses and owned real estate. My step grandmother worked for the post office and still owned many very large apartment buildings. My dad worked contruction and we lived in a very large home and alsoo had rental income. My father also used to own a record store.
I know many black bus drivers in Chicago who earn nearly $30 per hour and black cops who earn nearly $100k a year; and pretty much all the black cops I know own real estate in addition to their high-paid police jobs.
You and your friend didn't venture out much.
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Lol. Come on!!! Lol. You know full well that you see black people all over Chicago. North side as well as South side. Where did you live where you went "days at a time" without seeing black people? Do tell because I was born and raised there and saw black people on the North side of the city all the time. I also know personally know of many that live on the North side. Are you talking about the actual city of Chicago or some remote faraway suburb? I cannot vouch for the far north suburbs as I did not live there and had no reason to leave the city to go there (I went to other suburbs where I had family and friends). Do tell where this place is that you describe bc honestly I think I've seen numerous posts by you about preschools in Atlanta that were just totally unbelievable and I'd like to know specifics about your claims.
Also, I am not completely sure but someone can help me. Doesn't Chicago have the largest number of African-American owned businesses in the country and an African-American middle class that rivals or exceeds Atlanta in wealth?
Sorry. I do not know where you and your friend lived but I saw and interacted with black people on the North side all the time. Daily. It was no big deal. Lol. And it was not shocking.... It is daily life in a city like all other cities. This is 2015 not 1615, 1715, 1815 or even 1915.
Please share what area of the city of Chicago you lived in and enlighten us as to how East Cobb is so much more integrated and racially diverse.
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Originally Posted by chimama1
I'm from Atlanta and when I moved to Chicago I was shocked at how segregated it was. I lived on the north side and I would literally not see black faces for days at a time. It was disconcerting. My Midwestern friends would ask me in hushed tones if stories about the racism in the south were true. I told them that I found the Atlanta area at least to be much more integrated--both in just daily life, and in socio-economic opportunities. I've seen enough graphs now to know Atlanta continues to have a huge problem with socio-economic disparity, but I would argue we still have a much larger and more integrated middle and upper middle class of African American professionals than any other city. This conversation still disturbs me: I have a very good friend who is a born and raised Chicagoan. She was looking through my photo album of my pregnancy/birth of my first child. Looking at picture of me, my husband, minutes-old baby, and the nurses and doctor, my friend asked who the young black guy was. Answer: my OBGYN. Her face--she was so confused for a second. Then she was devastated with herself. She said growing up in Chicago, she was not accustomed to seeing well-educated African Americans in professional careers. Obviously, they are there, but it's not like it is here in Atlanta. I mean, now I live in East Cobb (100% white, if posters on this forum are to be believed ) and my kids have black kids on their basketball, soccer and baseball teams, and in dance class, and karate, and in their schools--a far cry from not seeing economically successful African Americans.
Yes, the post is VERY unbelievable, astonishing, crazy essentially. I just said the same thing in my post. Maybe she lived in some super remote place 15 minutes from the Iowa state line or something. I don't know.
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Maybe your Chicago friend is from the hood. I'm also from Chicago and there are PLENTY of well-to-do and well-educated blacks in Chicago. I know several personally, some of them being my cousins who attend or graduated from University of Chicago. One of my cousins is wealthy and pilots his own plane, builds flight simulators and works for PricewaterhouseCooper. One of my black female friends in Chicago is violinist, a PhD, and a semi-pro golfer. Another one of my friends there is also an educated violinist. I have another black friend who is a forensic pathologist.
I also have many black friends who live on the north side.
Though my jobs in Chicago I have met and interacted with several black businesses owners, doctors, lawyers, politicians and dignitaries. I could go on.
Blacks in Chicago who say they don't know any well-off blacks are from the hood and never ventured off their blocks. Many of them don't see black affluence until they move to Altanta because they didn't explore Chicago when they lived there. This is quite common.
Even the working class blacks in Chicago do well. I come from a working class family and everyone in my family owns their own home. My paternal grandparents owned their own businesses and owned real estate. My step grandmother worked for the post office and still owned many very large apartment buildings. My dad worked contruction and we lived in a very large home and alsoo had rental income. My father also used to own a record store.
I know many black bus drivers in Chicago who earn nearly $30 per hour and black cops who earn nearly $100k a year; and pretty much all the black cops I know own real estate in addition to their high-paid police jobs.
Yes, the post is VERY unbelievable, astonishing, crazy essentially. I just said the same thing in my post. Maybe she lived in some super remote place 15 minutes from the Iowa state line or something. I don't know.
The ridiculousness posted in this forum is the reason that I stopped debating with these folks. Let them have it. Some of these folk actually believe that the ONLY US city that outmatches Atlanta is NYC. Oh, Atlanta doesn't outmatch NYC, YET! Engaging in fantasy is ego protective. Again, let them have it.
On the flip side. We could easily use their (some of the members here) logic and state that great cities are segregated. After all, according to Cwkimbro's research, regarding segregated cities, "Time and time again the highest indexes are New York, Millwuakee, Chicago, and Detroit." If Atlanta can be a great city because, like NYC, Atlanta has a huge rat population. I know that some of you recall what I'm talking about. Then, Chicago, the segregated metropolis that it is, is also great.
Please, I beg of you, don't call me out on this.
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) and my kids have black kids on their basketball, soccer and baseball teams, and in dance class, and karate, and in their schools--a far cry from not seeing economically successful African Americans.
