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Old 10-21-2013, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Smyrna, GA
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I don't get this line of reasoning. I bet the people who don't want to pay tolls are the same ones who don't like taxes. I guess they think someone should be donating the highways for free.
Nope. Most Fiscal Conservatives are all about use taxes. Meaning you get taxed on what you use rather than paying for things you never use. I live in Cobb County. Why should my taxes pay for roads in Gwinnett when I never drive there? That's why I fully support the I-85 HOT lanes & expanding the concept to I-75 & GA-400.

I say lower/eliminate my personal taxes that go to or pay for roads & put up toll booths everywhere. I will only have to pay taxes/tolls on the roads I drive, those tolls should go to improving the roads I drive on, and in the end, the roads with the most traffic will generate the most revenue & will get the most attention when it comes to improvements.

I'm all about paying my fair share, but the key word there is "fair".
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Old 10-21-2013, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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Nope. Most Fiscal Conservatives are all about use taxes. Meaning you get taxed on what you use rather than paying for things you never use. I live in Cobb County. Why should my taxes pay for roads in Gwinnett when I never drive there? That's why I fully support the I-85 HOT lanes & expanding the concept to I-75 & GA-400.

I say lower/eliminate my personal taxes that go to or pay for roads & put up toll booths everywhere. I will only have to pay taxes/tolls on the roads I drive, those tolls should go to improving the roads I drive on, and in the end, the roads with the most traffic will generate the most revenue & will get the most attention when it comes to improvements.

I'm all about paying my fair share, but the key word there is "fair".
There is no way to toll non-freeway lanes.
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Old 10-21-2013, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Savannah GA
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Old 10-21-2013, 08:32 AM
 
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There is no way to toll non-freeway lanes.
Why not just sensors and something like the Peach Pass? Every time you go down the tolled street it would automatically tag your account.
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Old 10-21-2013, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Smyrna, GA
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There is no way to toll non-freeway lanes.
Who said anything about putting tolls on non-freeway lanes? I specifically said..."I fully support the I-85 HOT lanes & expanding the concept to I-75 & GA-400."

Hell, I say make 285 a pay-as-you-go turnpike.
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Old 10-21-2013, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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Who said anything about putting tolls on non-freeway lanes? I specifically said..."I fully support the I-85 HOT lanes & expanding the concept to I-75 & GA-400."

Hell, I say make 285 a pay-as-you-go turnpike.
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I say lower/eliminate my personal taxes that go to or pay for roads & put up toll booths everywhere.
How would lowering/eliminating your personal tax help fund neighborhood streets?
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Old 10-21-2013, 10:04 AM
 
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I suppose we can only hope then that those people will move back home.

I don't get this line of reasoning. I bet the people who don't want to pay tolls are the same ones who don't like taxes. I guess they think someone should be donating the highways for free.
Northerners can move anywhere they please in the United States of America; its their privilege.

I dont have a problem with taxes, but with overtaxation. That is why people are moving out of the Northeast. Who in the world can afford to buy a home and raise a middle class family in New York. If it wasnt for poor immigrants, New York would not run, cause no Americans are moving there, unless they trying to get into entertainment, or their hipsters/yuppies.
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Old 10-21-2013, 10:26 AM
 
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How would lowering/eliminating your personal tax help fund neighborhood streets?
We should start highways.

Eventually we can get local roads more user funded though which we can do with tolls or better structured taxes to better target users. True local streets are not as much of a problem since it is mostly locals going to their homes and businesses that are using the roads. Not people from outside the municipality.
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Old 10-21-2013, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Smyrna, GA
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Right here:

How would lowering/eliminating your personal tax help fund neighborhood streets?
Gwinnett collects HOT revenue for those passing through on I-85. That money can be used to improve I-85 or to resurface Jimmy carter Blvd.

Yeah, I see what you are trying to do here. More than likely you are claiming that toll revenue will never equal tax revenue, and you are probably right. But if you can cut my personal road taxes in half & subsidize that reduction with use taxes on the interstates, that's still a win.
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Old 10-21-2013, 11:04 AM
 
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There is no way to toll non-freeway lanes.
You're right, there is no practical way to toll non-freeway or non-controlled access lanes across-the-board.

But there is a way to toll non-freeway lanes on a limited basis through the 'Managed Arterials' concept where reconstructions of very-busy at-grade intersections into grade-separated intersections on major surface roads are funded by imposing electronically-collecting tolls on grade-separated express lanes through busy junctions.

...GA 141 Peachtree Parkway/Medlock Bridge Road through Gwinnett, North Fulton and South Forsyth counties between Peachtree Industrial Boulevard and GA 400;

...US 41 Cobb Parkway outside of I-285 through Cobb County;

...GA 6 Camp Creek Parkway/Thornton Road/US 278 between the Atlanta Airport and the new Silver Comet Airport in Paulding County;

...US 19-41 Tara Boulevard south from I-75 through Clayton County

...These are the first stretches of major surface arterial roadway that are being seriously-considered for conversion to 'Managed Arterials' where grade-separations of busy at-grade intersections are funded with congestion-priced variable tolls on grade-separated express lanes through those busy intersections.
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