Should Atlanta Consider a Move Like Oslo? (Alpharetta, Reynolds: 2014, HOA fees)

[cqholt]

Atlanta is the very definition of "sprawl" which is the result of a car-centric development.

The disaster unfolding in Houston is being exacerbated by it's unchecked sprawl and unregulated growth. If denser development would have been focused in areas outside of floodways, floodplains, prairies, etc. and in areas that do not flood every couple of years (3rd, 500-year event in 3 years https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.bf91a790f667.)

[Mutiny77]

Originally Posted by cqholt

The disaster unfolding in Houston is being exacerbated by it's unchecked sprawl and unregulated growth. If denser development would have been focused in areas outside of floodways, floodplains, prairies, etc. and in areas that do not flood every couple of years (3rd, 500-year event in 3 years https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.bf91a790f667.)

And yet, Houston is still denser than Atlanta and has a much more extensive road network. God knows Houston sprawls to high hell and its geography can sometimes be more of a liability than an asset (as we see right now), but Atlanta is the least dense major metro on the planet.

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by Mutiny77

And yet, Houston is still denser than Atlanta and has a much more extensive road network. God knows Houston sprawls to high hell and its geography can sometimes be more of a liability than an asset (as we see right now), but Atlanta is the least dense major metro on the planet.

City of Atlanta has strict no new building in floodways, etc.

[arjay57]

Without cars Oslo goes so slow. But if we joined them at least they wouldn't be solo.

[samiwas1]

Wow...I don't even have to assume it any more: "The goal is that people with cars will feel like they’re visitors, rather than owning the streets,” says Berg. “We’ll make it difficult for people to want to drive or get around by car.” https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2...cklash-parking Yeah...no bias there at all.

Anyway....the Oslo car-free area is less than half the size of our downtown, so...sure, why not?

Originally Posted by cqholt

The disaster unfolding in Houston is being exacerbated by it's unchecked sprawl and unregulated growth. If denser development would have been focused in areas outside of floodways, floodplains, prairies, etc. and in areas that do not flood every couple of years (3rd, 500-year event in 3 years

I guess that's just what the market wanted. More people wanted to be there, so the market reacted. And the market should not be restricted. It should be allowed to do its thing. Did I get that right?

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by samiwas1

Wow...I don't even have to assume it any more: "The goal is that people with cars will feel like they’re visitors, rather than owning the streets,” says Berg. “We’ll make it difficult for people to want to drive or get around by car.” https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2...cklash-parking Yeah...no bias there at all.

Anyway....the Oslo car-free area is less than half the size of our downtown, so...sure, why not?



I guess that's just what the market wanted. More people wanted to be there, so the market reacted. And the market should not be restricted. It should be allowed to do its thing. Did I get that right?

The market should be allowed to build in the floodway and put residents in harms way?

[AnsleyPark]

Originally Posted by cqholt

The market should be allowed to build in the floodway and put residents in harms way?

There are not many places that can be said to be totally out of harm's way. Not building within the flood plain for floods that are reasonably expected to occur? Sure. But this has been an epic storm that no one could have forecast.

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by AnsleyPark

There are not many places that can be said to be totally out of harm's way. Not building within the flood plain for floods that are reasonably expected to occur? Sure. But this has been an epic storm that no one could have forecast.

Harvey is the third “500-year flood” since 2015

https://www.citylab.com/environment/...magine/538356/

[fourthwarden]

Originally Posted by krogerDisco

It took off though with the suburbanization and building of the interstates in America and was built as such. It's not a natural to flick a switch and embrace a pedestrian culture. The streetcar is being imposed on the city which had abandoned them long ago.

There's an irony here given how harshly, and destructively the car was imposed on our city. Huge tracts of neighborhoods removed. Countless acres of wildlife tilled and capped with asphalt all so we could have our energy inefficient, and financially unsustainable personal transport pods.

There's a reason cars are so expensive in other places, and it ain't out of some unfounded ideological kick either. The simple reality is that cars are inefficient uses of energy and space, actively hurt the financial sustainability of places that attempt to be fit for them, and are major contributors to a depressing amount of ecological damage.

They should be expensive. After all, they are a heck of an opportunity cost.

[brown_dog_us]

Oslo has already walked back from banning cars to making it difficult to drive a car in the city centre. Also, the area in question is 1.7 sq km or .66 sq miles.