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Old 01-23-2019, 05:06 AM
 
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Not sure that will work so well. Thankfully District 6 is starting to become more progressive on and cultured as more out of staters move in. McBath basically won on gun control - many upper income parents with young kids in that district aren't interested in gun rights at the expense of their kids potentially getting shot up in school.

And religious liberty crap is even less relevant at the national level.
Please just stop with the “thankfully”. I moved into this district from out of state, and voted for Handel. I saw McBath for what she is, a one issue candidate with little relevant experience. I praise her personal struggle and commitment to gun control but that doesn’t sway me as a voter.

Handel took the race for granted and rightly lost. The next candidate can easily defeat McBath if he or she runs a real campaign.

There is a big difference between being tolerant, educated and engaged vs “progressive”. I saw a lot of “progressives” living in NY, many of whom were intolerant of any other opinion.
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Old 01-23-2019, 07:46 AM
 
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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez gets a lot of mentions from conservatives because she is seen by many (including many conservatives) as a much younger and much more attractive version of Bernie Sanders.

With her youth, attractive looks and Latino (Puerto Rican) ethnicity, AOC is viewed by many as someone who will be able to sell and maybe even advance many of the progressive/left-leaning policies (policies that many conservatives consider to be socialist) pushed by a figure like a Bernie Sanders in an American political scene that often has been dominated by more centrist and conservative/right-leaning politics.

There is a little bit (and even rising) fear factor amongst many conservatives that a figure like AOC (who is viewed by many as being a rising leader in the more progressive wing of the Democratic Party coalition) could be a signal of a widespread progressive backlash that could be brewing against the 'vulture capitalism' (the type of capitalism that many consider to be particularly exploitive of working-class and middle-class families) that has been an increasing feature of American life (and politics) over the last 40 years or so.

There is also some concern from some right-of-center circles that a figure like AOC could be a sign of a future widespread political and social backlash (led by the large Millennial generation) that could be brewing against the racist, sexist, bigoted, homophobic, mean-spirited social and political rhetoric and dogma of the Trump era.

The fact that a very progressive figure like AOC comes from a safe-Democratic congressional district in Queens, New York where she upended a senior member of the U.S. House Democratic leadership (longtime Democratic former Congressman Joe Crowley, who was 4th in line in the U.S. House Democratic leadership) in the Democratic primary, kind of adds to the fear factor from many conservatives.

AOC being from a safe-Democratic congressional district in Queens, New York where Republican candidates have no shot of winning means that it likely will be exceedingly difficult (if not almost completely impossible) for Republicans to challenge and attempt to derail the career of a rising ultra-progressive Democratic politician that potentially could be a very formidable presence on the American political scene for decades to come.

There is also some rising fear from some right-of-center circles, both here in Georgia and nationally, that the election of a decidedly left-of-center pro gun-control Democratic candidate like Lucy McBath in a Georgia 6th Congressional District that Republicans and conservatives have totally and completely dominated for the last 40 years was not a fluke and could be signs of a much deeper shift to the left that could be underway in Georgia politics (particularly in the long GOP-dominated Atlanta suburbs).

There is fear in some conservative circles that the election of a decidedly left-of-center pro gun-control candidate like Lucy McBath in 2018 was not a fluke, but potentially was the sign of more political shifts to come to the left-of-center in the traditionally GOP-dominated OTP Atlanta suburbs.

The possibility that the OTP Atlanta suburbs could be shifting hard to the left (and taking Georgia's GOP-dominated political scene with it) is a scenario that keeps many Republicans and conservatives, both in Georgia and nationally, awake at night.
Conservatives are really shooting themselves in the foot with their AOC hate. They are responsible for giving AOC the instant name recognition she currently enjoys. Had they just ignored her, only the poli sci geeks would have known who she was. She is just a single U.S. House Rep. and somehow she now has more influence than any other Democrat in office right now.

On Lucy McBath, I think the conservative fears are justified. Her victory was mostly due to changing demographics. The race will be another nail biter, but the fundamentals are in her favor as long as she doesn't make some enormous gaffe. If Abrams runs for Senate next year, then that would be a huge advantage for her as well.
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Old 01-23-2019, 08:30 AM
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Conservatives are really shooting themselves in the foot with their AOC hate. They are responsible for giving AOC the instant name recognition she currently enjoys. Had they just ignored her, only the poli sci geeks would have known who she was. She is just a single U.S. House Rep. and somehow she now has more influence than any other Democrat in office right now.

On Lucy McBath, I think the conservative fears are justified. Her victory was mostly due to changing demographics. The race will be another nail biter, but the fundamentals are in her favor as long as she doesn't make some enormous gaffe. If Abrams runs for Senate next year, then that would be a huge advantage for her as well.
She's getting attention from the mainstream media. Like the President, she says provocative things, so they love to cover her. The attention she's getting has nothing to do with conservatives.
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Old 01-23-2019, 08:53 AM
 
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She's getting attention from the mainstream media. Like the President, she says provocative things, so they love to cover her. The attention she's getting has nothing to do with conservatives.
It has everything to do with conservatives. Fox news has targeted her as the new public enemy number one from the get go. They have publicly vilified her with wardrobe and personal wealth shaming repeatedly, and attempted to whip up a frenzy over her rooftop dancing video from her collage days.
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Old 01-23-2019, 08:59 AM
 
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She's getting attention from the mainstream media. Like the President, she says provocative things, so they love to cover her. The attention she's getting has nothing to do with conservatives.
She is a constant fixture on Fox News and Drudge. Drudge has AOC links on his site just about every single day. She gets a lot of attention due to her responses to Republican attacks. I do not agree that the attention she is getting from conservatives is not contributing to her popularity.

As a progressive, I am loving it but can't help but to wonder why so many conservative pols are falling into her trap? As a millennial, social media is her wheelhouse so it's baffling to me what any conservative could possibly accomplished by attacking her.
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Old 01-23-2019, 01:24 PM
 
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Please just stop with the “thankfully”. I moved into this district from out of state, and voted for Handel. I saw McBath for what she is, a one issue candidate with little relevant experience. I praise her personal struggle and commitment to gun control but that doesn’t sway me as a voter.

Handel took the race for granted and rightly lost. The next candidate can easily defeat McBath if he or she runs a real campaign.

There is a big difference between being tolerant, educated and engaged vs “progressive”. I saw a lot of “progressives” living in NY, many of whom were intolerant of any other opinion.
Many people assume "progressive" means tolerant of any opinion or ideology. And for the most part, we are, unless it's an opinion that runs counter to general acceptance and support of others. I've heard far too many conservatives try to use the "hey you're not being tolerant of my rampant homophobia!!" as some sort of gotcha moment for progressives, and it's stupid. So no, we are not tolerant of hate filled ideology out to hurt or discriminate against people for things they can't change (race, sexual preference, religion, etc).

As for Handel, she is just like almost every other Republicans politician - a blindly loyal party line voter. Handel was elected to one of the most wealthy districts in the US, many of whom rely on the SALT deduction to help offset Georgia taxes, mortgage interest,and property taxes for very expensive homes. During the tax saga she did not fight at ALL to get that restored when Republicans tried to remove it. Thankfully Democrats + NE Republicans got most of it back (with a cap), but it showed many district 6 voters that she didn't care at all about her district.

Regardless of what you say, district 6 is not that hillbilly district that elected Newt Gingrich like it was years ago. That's mostly thanks to migration of people from northern states. The best candidate to win there now will be either a democrat or CENTRIST republican, in the vein of a northeastern republican that focus more on fiscal conservatism. Unfortunately for Republicans, most Georgia republican candidates who could run for district 6 come from the social conservatism POV where they care more about hating gays and minorities and acting as if straight white men are the most persucuted group rather than worrying of budgets, deficits and taxes.
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Old 01-23-2019, 02:15 PM
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She is a constant fixture on Fox News and Drudge. Drudge has AOC links on his site just about every single day. She gets a lot of attention due to her responses to Republican attacks. I do not agree that the attention she is getting from conservatives is not contributing to her popularity.

As a progressive, I am loving it but can't help but to wonder why so many conservative pols are falling into her trap? As a millennial, social media is her wheelhouse so it's baffling to me what any conservative could possibly accomplished by attacking her.
Do you constantly read Drudge or watch Fox News? I don't see Fox News that often and am not sure I've ever read Drudge. But I see lots of her everywhere else. And its generally her own comments about various topics, not in response to "attacks." She and Beto are the newest JFK for segments of the Democratic Party. I'm guessing Abrams would be if she were more photogenic. She's a whole lot more intelligent than either of those two.

I suspect you don't watch Drudge and Fox and are simply repeating what Slate, Vox, Huff Post, etc. have told you they are saying.
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:11 PM
 
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Do you constantly read Drudge or watch Fox News? I don't see Fox News that often and am not sure I've ever read Drudge. But I see lots of her everywhere else. And its generally her own comments about various topics, not in response to "attacks." She and Beto are the newest JFK for segments of the Democratic Party. I'm guessing Abrams would be if she were more photogenic. She's a whole lot more intelligent than either of those two.

I suspect you don't watch Drudge and Fox and are simply repeating what Slate, Vox, Huff Post, etc. have told you they are saying.
I visit Drudgereport multiple times a day. Though i don't like the site's conservative slant, Drudge has a talent for picking a good mix of relevant and quirky news stories. I first learned of AOC after viewing a story on Drudgereport after her primary win.

I never voluntarily watch Fox News, but several of the other news sites I visit have a good time making fun of Republican's obsession with her. They seem to hate her just as much as they hate Pres. Obama.
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:24 PM
 
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Please just stop with the “thankfully”. I moved into this district from out of state, and voted for Handel. I saw McBath for what she is, a one issue candidate with little relevant experience. I praise her personal struggle and commitment to gun control but that doesn’t sway me as a voter.

Handel took the race for granted and rightly lost. The next candidate can easily defeat McBath if he or she runs a real campaign.

There is a big difference between being tolerant, educated and engaged vs “progressive”. I saw a lot of “progressives” living in NY, many of whom were intolerant of any other opinion.
That is a good point that incumbent Georgia 6th District Congresswoman Karen Handel appeared to take the race for granted from the perspective of many conservatives.

I also agree that it will very much be possible that the next candidate that the GOP nominates to run for the seat to defeat Congresswoman McBath, if the GOP nominee runs a spirited campaign.

But even though Congresswoman McBath will be exceedingly vulnerable heading into the 2020 election cycle, conservatives should not be mistaken that taking back the Georgia 6th Congressional District will be easy in the 2020 election cycle.

Because of continuing rapid demographic changes in the Atlanta suburbs (including in the swath of the North Atlanta suburbs where McBath narrowly defeated Handel in the Georgia-6th), Georgia is expected to be considered as a battleground state heading into the 2020 Presidential election cycle... A battleground state where Democrats will be expected to pour tens-of-millions dollars to attempt to flip the state from the Republican column to the Democratic column, especially if 2018 gubernatorial race runner-up Stacey Abrams decides to enter the 2020 Georgia U.S. Senate race against Republican incumbent U.S. Senator David Perdue.

Growing dissatisfaction with President Donald Trump's apparent emotional instability and volatility amongst the college-educated suburban female demographic (as well as a degree of rising dissatisfaction with Trump amongst college-educated suburban males) that dominates the demographics of the Georgia 6th Congressional District will also make taking back control of the Georgia-6th a significant challenge for Republicans in 2020.

Dissatisfaction with Trump by college-educated suburban voters caused Republicans to take a beating throughout large swaths of the traditionally GOP-dominated Atlanta suburbs (including in the parts of Cobb and North Fulton counties that make up the Georgia-6th) in legislative races where the GOP lost a net of about 14 legislative seats (11 Georgia House seats, 2 Georgia Senate seats, and the GA-6 Congressional seat).

Incumbent Republican Congressman Rob Woodall also barely survived in the Georgia 7th Congressional District (a district which neighbors the Georgia-6th, covers parts of Gwinnett and Forsyth counties and which will also be a major battleground race in 2020), winning re-election by only about 400 or so votes over a very game Democratic opponent in Carolyn Bourdeaux.
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Old 01-23-2019, 06:34 PM
 
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That is a good point that incumbent Georgia 6th District Congresswoman Karen Handel appeared to take the race for granted from the perspective of many conservatives.

I also agree that it will very much be possible that the next candidate that the GOP nominates to run for the seat to defeat Congresswoman McBath, if the GOP nominee runs a spirited campaign.

But even though Congresswoman McBath will be exceedingly vulnerable heading into the 2020 election cycle, conservatives should not be mistaken that taking back the Georgia 6th Congressional District will be easy in the 2020 election cycle.

Because of continuing rapid demographic changes in the Atlanta suburbs (including in the swath of the North Atlanta suburbs where McBath narrowly defeated Handel in the Georgia-6th), Georgia is expected to be considered as a battleground state heading into the 2020 Presidential election cycle... A battleground state where Democrats will be expected to pour tens-of-millions dollars to attempt to flip the state from the Republican column to the Democratic column, especially if 2018 gubernatorial race runner-up Stacey Abrams decides to enter the 2020 Georgia U.S. Senate race against Republican incumbent U.S. Senator David Perdue.

Growing dissatisfaction with President Donald Trump's apparent emotional instability and volatility amongst the college-educated suburban female demographic (as well as a degree of rising dissatisfaction with Trump amongst college-educated suburban males) that dominates the demographics of the Georgia 6th Congressional District will also make taking back control of the Georgia-6th a significant challenge for Republicans in 2020.

Dissatisfaction with Trump by college-educated suburban voters caused Republicans to take a beating throughout large swaths of the traditionally GOP-dominated Atlanta suburbs (including in the parts of Cobb and North Fulton counties that make up the Georgia-6th) in legislative races where the GOP lost a net of about 14 legislative seats (11 Georgia House seats, 2 Georgia Senate seats, and the GA-6 Congressional seat).

Incumbent Republican Congressman Rob Woodall also barely survived in the Georgia 7th Congressional District (a district which neighbors the Georgia-6th, covers parts of Gwinnett and Forsyth counties and which will also be a major battleground race in 2020), winning re-election by only about 400 or so votes over a very game Democratic opponent in Carolyn Bourdeaux.
Thanks for the balanced response.

I for one welcome a battleground in one way - it means that the candidates will be in the spotlight. What I don’t like is the outside influence and money that also comes with a battleground district.

McBath is my representative and I’ll give her a chance. But I won’t vote for her just because she’s “more progressive”.
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