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Old 03-08-2013, 01:02 PM
 
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I should take some random unbiased videos of everyday riding around Austin to show that 90% of cyclists are completely safe and legal. It would also show a similar percentage of not-so-great automobile drivers.
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Old 03-08-2013, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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I suspect that, if it showed that 90% of cyclists are completely safe and legal, it would show the same percentage of drivers are such. Your bias is showing, in other words.
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Old 03-08-2013, 07:26 PM
 
Location: The People's Republic of Austin
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So in a story with 100 or so replies, you pulled out the 10 or so from "cyclists", including the one from the guy who doesn't ride(his dad does) and the guy who rode "in his younger days" (20 years ago?) as representative of "the cycling community". .
Nice strawman argument - you are arguing against something never said. The fact is, several in the cycling community made several observations that weren't quite flattering to road cyclists - which is all I ever said. How many comments weren't from folks in that world, or whether or not they were on a car centered blog is simply immaterial to the facts, no matter how much you want them to be. It is also a strain to claim, as you did, that mountain bikers aren't part of the cycling community.

I understand you don't like the observations. Are you saying they are totally off the mark?
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Old 03-08-2013, 10:17 PM
 
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I suspect that, if it showed that 90% of cyclists are completely safe and legal, it would show the same percentage of drivers are such. Your bias is showing, in other words.

I wouldn't edit out anything. That's what unbiased means.
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Old 03-09-2013, 05:55 AM
 
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A viewpoint from someone who has the experience to know.



Maybe not as cut and dried an argument as it seems?
Wow...thanks for sharing this. That author is a world class axxhole. I've rarely seen a self indictment as bad as that.

Generalization, logical fallacies (Lance Armstrong is a road cyclist, Lance Armstrong lies, ergo cyclists lie), massive assumptions about what occurred with zero basis other than "hey, I know road cyclists - to these cyclists, but I know them and here's what probably happened", assigning partial blame to people who are following the law and the rules of the road (zero evidence to the contrary) and dramatization of an encounter he has no idea whether it occurred or not, and incredible admissions of generally toolish behavior.
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