11-02-2013, 07:52 PM
Location: Los Angeles
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Pros and Cons.
And I've heard you may not want us "Californians" there.
But I still want to live there. I'm really nice. I promise.
Lived in LA my whole life.
Grew up and lived all over LA: Hollywood/Koreatown/Silverlake/Downtown. (not the valley)
Never lived anywhere else.
Need something new.
Consider myself the artsy / indie / alternative / quirky type.
Both my husband and I want to move.
He's originally from Houston and went to Austin for school at UT. So he's lived there before...
I love LA. It will always be a part of me, but LA takes itself to seriously and I'm over it.
Any personal experiences to share?
Thank you all guys!
Oh and we're an interracial couple....if that is at all necessary to know.
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11-02-2013, 10:02 PM
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Austin is no longer like the town your husband remembers from his UT days. And it is most definitely not the promised land being portrayed by the media. It's not smart to move anywhere simply because you have a vague goal of something "new."
You need to come here and visit for a significant period of time, particularly during the harshest weather months to not only familiarize yourself with the city as it is today but determine whether you can hack the climate change. And do not even think about moving here without a job offer in hand. Nearly 200 people are moving to Austin every day and all of them are looking for jobs too.
11-03-2013, 06:21 AM
Location: san francisco
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I think what makes Austin cool for a lot of people who decide to move here is that its still relatively cheap and its still a pretty cool town to live in despite its "radical changes". It certainly may not be what it was back in the 90s, 80s, 70s or even 60s but Austin is always going to have a brand of people for every decade saying the same thing year after year after year that Austin is "not what it used to be". So that's that... but for the most part, its a pretty welcoming town.
I just moved back from SF... I moved back for similar reasons as yours. And even though Austin may be "overrated" by the media in many respects, I really don't think that the people here in Austin consider it the "best city"... I think everybody here has their polarizing opinions about its changes, which some views can be contradictory since they all want "progress". There's no public transportation like in LA, the weather can be harsh, I hear its getting harder to find a place to live... anyways, I personally would like for this city to get its ball rolling on public transportation. That's about the only thing that I feel this city needs to truly work on. If the prices are gonna climb, if housing is going to become scarce due to the influx of transplants I can deal with it, so long as there is a real plan for an urban rail at some point in the near future.
OH yeah and gamedays pretty much suck even more... you almost can't drive anywhere.
11-03-2013, 07:17 AM
Location: Greater NYC
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Be sure to search the MANY threads discussing comparisons of LA and Austin and CA in general. There are a lot offering some wise assessments.
I am from LA and the Bay Area, grew up in both places and spent much of my adulthood in SF... my biggest takeaway after living here in Austin for 2 years: If you truly love, appreciate and prioritize first the things that only CA offers (not all do which is okay too) - top notch cultural opportunities, cosmopolitan vibe and artsy feel, sheer beauty, the ocean, the mountains, access to snow and temperate mld weather, access to endless day trips and weekends trips, Austin and TX will not measure up. I will also say that the media and many TX natives, like to say how "weird" Austin is... quirky and liberal, etc. Well, my benchmark is CA and also 13 years in Colorado and Austin is not nearly as quirky and weird as it's made out to be but your assessment of this is purely dependent on what your prior experience is and what you are used to.
I am not saying that there are not many, many Californians who have moved here and have not been happy, there are. But those that do prioritize these requirements (above) at the top of their lists do not stay here long (we know of 4 families and 2 couples who've come and gone in the last two years). If you are willing to give up these unique things in exchange for a less expensive cost of living and then Austin (and Texas) may be the place for you.
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11-03-2013, 08:15 PM
Location: Los Angeles
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I little more detail in our situation.
I would like a more relaxed place to be in.
LA is too fast. Everyone is racing. Care too much about superficial things, self image, a lot of people are snotty (when in fact, from my personal experience, MOST of the people that give LA a bad rep aren't even born and raised here, usually out of towners who think theyre supposed to be a certain way because they live here). Not saying that that's EVERY out of towner, no.
But I'm over LA in that sense.
It takes itself too seriously.
I've visited New Orleans and I love the southern hospitality. Won me over.
But if we move, husband and I want to move somewhere in Texas (because his whole family is in Houston), but not H Town just yet.
We've heard Austin has a big music and arts scene.
Might I add... I'm in my 20s and my husband is his 30s.
Note, I recently watched Slackers.......filmed in Austin -- is that really how slow paced it is?
Are people really "did you hear this" or "have you heard that" down there?
(probably a very dumb question to ask, so I apologize...but I really don't know Austin personally. Haven't met it yet!)
We don't have any children, but definitely want to have them!
Would Austin be a good place to raise kids, if and when they happen?
We're a young married couple so we want to experience a new style of living together.
How's it looking guys?
And this is probably a silly question also....but do Austinites really dislike us Californians? Will it be difficult to meet people/make friends there? Is there a huge misconception of how Californians are supposed to be? My husband is from Houston -- and I love my Texan man like nothing else in this world! Haha.
I want kinder people. Outdoorsy activities. Artsy vibe, galleries, or can catch a drawing group regularly if I want, for instance. Yoga. People that don't take themselves too seriously but are still genuine and hard working, a good energy and welcoming environment...
THANK YOU very much everyone that has answered so far. You guys are awesome.
11-03-2013, 08:26 PM
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Note, I recently watched Slackers.......filmed in Austin -- is that really how slow paced it is?
Are people really "did you hear this" or "have you heard that" down there?
(probably a very dumb question to ask, so I apologize...but I really don't know Austin personally. Haven't met it yet!)
I think you should really schedule a trip and visit. The Austin of Slacker is long gone.
11-03-2013, 08:35 PM
Location: Los Angeles
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Well, I clearly have not visited. Lol. But can you pretty please indulge me anyway?
11-03-2013, 08:46 PM
Location: san francisco
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I think you should really schedule a trip and visit. The Austin of Slacker is long gone.
It's not entirely true. Austin still has for the most part a slacker attitude. Maybe not as much as in the movie but its still caters to that slacker mentality. And also... Austin is still a kind of city where you meet many mutual friends. This person will know that person who knows that person who happens to be your neighbor, etc. I just recently got back from a DT spot where I was offered a gig without me even asking for the job... then we started talking about friends who are still here from since I'd first gone. Before that I went to Thunderbird Cafe.... the vibe there was so mellow. I've never went to any place in California not necessarily anything near to the laidback vibe you will get from say a place like Spiderhouse, Bouldin Creek Cafe, Thunderbird, etc... I think these are very much attributes to this "slacker" mentality. Also, the fact that I'd first left Austin originally was for this very reason... I was just slacking too much and I felt I needed to get certain issues of mine straight and I felt moving to a place like San Francisco would help me. It did a bit... but only in a way that I realized that if I moved back here to Austin I'd have plenty more opportunities to work on my gigs as a filmmaker, which as it turns out to be similar to the movie Slacker. All these lazy boneheads talking all this gibberish without ever doing something with their lives. Linklater realized he needed to do something with his life... so he made a movie about it.
11-03-2013, 08:56 PM
Location: san francisco
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Well, I clearly have not visited. Lol. But can you pretty please indulge me anyway?
You're not going to find any part of Austin anywhere as bustling, urban or fast paced as LA. Visit the neighborhood Hyde Park... walk around the Lady Bird Lake... try to get yourself feeling like a local. Austin can be a very sleepy town. Its why I think it paradoxically bores a lot of people who decide to move. People want to move here because they simply "hear its a great place to live" which it is, but it might not fit your standards to what you deem to be a "city" in its true sense. Austin is growing but its outgrowing itself and yet at the same time, Downtown can be pretty dead on a Sunday night as it was right now before I came home. I think its because there is still a lot of unused space in the city. Still lots of unused land everywhere. Its still not densely populated unless you get closer to DT. Austin has as much sq. ft of land as NYC to put into perspective. What is cool about Austin and why I personally enjoy it so much is that even though you'll be driving around North Loop and Guadalupe and you're like, man its dead, you'll suddenly run into a coffee shop like Epoch that is open 24hrs and you'll run into some really cool people who are like-minded. This is very much the same Spirit as in Slacker.... which btw, the coffee shop shot in Slacker is still there. My friend works there. It's in the Hyde Park neighborhood and its called Quacks. I think it may have been called something a bit different but Quacks was in that same location as the one in the movie.
Also, daytimes are only bustling with traffic and some nights too on weekends or when there are big events, and people still don't walk as much as they do in SF. But you're from LA so you might be used to all of that.
11-04-2013, 06:09 AM
Location: The Lone Star State
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As others said, check the threads on LA vs Austin.
Austin is definitely different than a decade or two ago. Some ways better, some worse. I hand a feeling many of the things your husband may have liked during college will mostly be gone.
What you mention of liking New Orleans and your husband's family in Houston... I think you'd like The Heights there. Montrose may be worth looking at too. Houston will also be much different than your husband experienced (vastly improved.)
You're just going to have to visit Texas to see what you think. If your husband's family wasn't here, I'd probably suggest Pacific NW or elsewhere as an alternative because we have a ridiculous number of people moving here and not all of them like it.
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Most Common Occupations - Healthcare practitioners and technical occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Health diagnosing and treating practitioners and other technical occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Health technologists and technicians (%)
Most Common Occupations - Service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Healthcare support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Protective service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Fire fighting and prevention, and other protective service workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Law enforcement workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Food preparation and serving related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Personal care and service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)