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Old 03-17-2017, 01:01 PM
 
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Electric car users do pay additional taxes on the electricity they use.
The road fuel tax is just that, it's for roads. Some of it is carved out for mass transit but other than it's almost entirely used to fund roads. You can buy off road fuels without the tax, most predominately off road diesel if you were going to use it in tractor for example. There is also tax credits if you purchase fuels that are taxed and are not using them on the road, you'd have to check with your state for what they allow.

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f4136.pdf
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Old 03-17-2017, 01:13 PM
 
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The road fuel tax is just that, it's for roads. Some of it is carved out for mass transit but other than it's almost entirely used to fund roads. You can buy off road fuels without the tax, most predominately off road diesel if you were going to use it in tractor for example. There is also tax credits if you purchase fuels that are taxed and are not using them on the road, you'd have to check with your state for what they allow.

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f4136.pdf
I'm not arguing that. There are taxes on electricity also. These are used for certain things also. If you get an energy efficient appliance you are contributing less to the things the energy tax is applied to. So to be fair, why shouldn't there be a higher tax on energy efficient appliances?
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Old 03-17-2017, 01:17 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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I'm not arguing that. There are taxes on electricity also. These are used for certain things also. If you get an energy efficient appliance you are contributing less to the things the energy tax is applied to. So to be fair, why shouldn't there be a higher tax on energy efficient appliances?


For one thing, many times use/production of energy efficient appliances is being mandated (water heaters and air conditioners are two that come to mind) while purchasing an EV is not.


Taxes on electricity will vary from state to state. Here in Maryland one of them into the General Fund while a newly enacted windmill and solar tax goes directly to the utility.
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Old 03-17-2017, 01:29 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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I am looking at getting a used Volt soon. I was a little concerned about battery replacement, but a friend who works for GM told me they have a 10 (I think ) year warranty and, so far, GM has only had to replace 2 batteries.
You are evidently going to get a heck of a deal.
I looked at Carmax and there is no problem buying a used Volt for $16-17,000 dollars.
New price was 34,000 +-.
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Old 03-17-2017, 01:37 PM
 
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The Volt's price was high but keep in mind the $7k tax credit that lowers its price, plus any state incentives (CO I think had around $8k in incentives, most are $3k-$4k) and the depreciation is based off those reduced purchase price levels.


The Leaf is one of the fastest depreciating cars, if not the fastest.
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Old 03-17-2017, 01:41 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Here's an article for those interested in learning about government mandates which require the manufacture of EVs.
States are requiring a certain number of EVs on their roads, so 90% of the vehicles are sold in 8 states......
Hundreds of million of dollars are sold back and forth to various manufacturers as some could not reach their quota and others did........
3rd quarter of 2014, Tesla took in $76 million from EV credits...........
GM announces reduction in staff at the battery plant....
It goes on.
Government Mandates Keep Electric Auto Manufacturers in Business - IER
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Old 03-17-2017, 01:53 PM
 
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The road fuel tax is just that, it's for roads. Some of it is carved out for mass transit but other than it's almost entirely used to fund roads. You can buy off road fuels without the tax, most predominately off road diesel if you were going to use it in tractor for example. There is also tax credits if you purchase fuels that are taxed and are not using them on the road, you'd have to check with your state for what they allow.

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f4136.pdf
Pffft. Our state fuel tax has so many fingers in it I think less than half goes to roads. And there hasn't been an increase in years either.
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Old 03-17-2017, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Texas
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In the LA area the electric company advertises to run your washer and dryer in the evening and turn the air conditioner down to save electricity. How are they going to charge up millions of cars.
Well I can tell you that Texas has had to shut down it's wind generated energy because it was overloading the grid and wind generation only makes up about 12% of Texas electricity.

To take best advantage of electric vehicles and renewable energy we'd have to revamp our entire grid and electrical codes.
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Old 03-17-2017, 04:19 PM
 
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Drivers of fossil fuel vehicles, should have the same tax and subsidies as electric cars, in states where electric cars are not worth buying. Example: Tesla, the DMV in Montana says there is not one even registered in the state. Reason: In the winter when range drops by 60% due to cold, and again drops due to our mountains and, we can't use them to get between towns and cities here. They are useless. Why should our tax money be used to subsidize electric vehicles that are worthless here. Only ones you ever see, are out of state licenses in the summer, and it is rare even see one.

Go down to any of our parking lots in the months tourists are not passing through, and you will find 75% and more are Mid to Large SUV and full size Pickups. Expensive vehicles, but needed here in the winter.

Electric vehicle buyers, should not get subsidies, so they can buy them cheaper. Let the buyers pay their own way, and they should be taxed to use the highways and road system, just as gas powered vehicle owners are to be fair to all.
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Old 03-17-2017, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Sylmar, a part of Los Angeles
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Never get behind a electric car, you never know when the battery is going to go dead.
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