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Old 04-12-2017, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Podunk, IA
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LOL, now grasping at straws. How about when the there is a lunar eclipse or when Haley's comet is visible in the sky.

Beyond that I'm sure showrooms can stock panels of all color combinations. And they won't mind if you take it outside
Obviously you know nothing about how light affects color. Learn.
http://www.sensationalcolor.com/unde...4#.WO5JfGdOl9M
Having a flat panel is also nothing like having it on a contoured surface.

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Yes, and showrooms can surely stock panels in all color combinations that can easily be brought outdoors.
That is only acceptable if you don't really care very much.
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Old 04-12-2017, 09:38 AM
 
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Obviously you know nothing about how light affects color. Learn.

Don
Yes, and showrooms can surely stock panels in all color combinations that can easily be brought outdoors.
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Old 04-12-2017, 09:38 AM
 
Location: NH
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I cant say that I have ever bought a car new or used that had the exact options I wanted. My wants in a car are only available if I go with the $5K upgrade for example so now I have my want but I also just bought $4k of upgrades that I didn't want. If you order from the dealer my assumption is that I could get exactly what I wanted without any of the extras.


It all comes down to the fact that if a manufacturer wants to sell directly to the public then they should be able to.
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Old 04-12-2017, 09:55 AM
 
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Dealership is not but an additional middle man and extra overhead cost that the customer ends up paying for. Couple of yrs back I wanted a Lexus GX SUV. It was a specific base model, fake leather, no navigation or fog lights, no lane departure etc because I didnt need all those gadgets. I searched for it in my state and none of the 3 major or closest cities had the base model in stock. I was surprised coz it was a common vehicle. I checked with all dealerships and they were like we have the next model up and its going to cost you $9k with the next trim upgrade. No body kept the base model because they could up sell the customers with the useless upgrades that they had stocked. When I asked them can they get it for me they were like sure, its going to be up to 3 months and I pay for all shipping and moving charges from West coast etc. I ended up getting the car shipped from a Florida dealership and doing the paperwork with them. Paying for my own transport was cheaper than what the dealership wanted.
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Old 04-12-2017, 10:21 AM
 
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Thing is, we no longer need a retail network. There is a new way to buy cars. Many people use it now. We could get rid of dealers today, and by next month, everyone would be buying cars online. Dealerships are out of date and will eventually fade away. It will take years maybe even a decade, but they are done. Couldn't happen soon enough IMO. Any business where individual compensation is based on getting people to buy things they do not need and cannot afford and/or getting people to may more than they really need to for a product (ie focused n taking advantage of naive or unsophisticated people), is one we can do without. For a time, the Mfgs may need to have test drive centers, but eventually people will learn to accept buying cars based on test reports, etc. We no longer need middlemen or massive lots filled with cars that are not what a particular buyer wants, but which a salesman will try to convince them to buy anyway.

You order your car, select colors and options a computer located that car for you and it is either delivered or you pick it up. The end. Eventually they will work out just on time delivery and the cars will be made to order. That will take more advanced computer systems than we have right now.
I'm sorry, but if you let a dealership talk you into buying a car you don't want, add-on's you don't want, etc, then that's your own fault. You think manufacturers are going to be a charity and sell cars without trying to make as much money as possible? Ha! Good luck with that....as has been proven multiple times (Ford Auto Collection, etc) when manufacturers get into the retail business they typically want higher margins than what auto dealers currently get.

Again, I'm on record saying I believe each automaker should have the right on whether to sell direct or not, but some of the anti-dealer comments on here are just flat-out wrong.

Now are there some dealers who are crappy, run misleading ads, have shady employees, etc, absolutely. If people stopped buying from them then they'd go away, and the "good" dealers would be left, you know? The dealership model is not necessarily the problem...you may run into crappy stores run by a manufacturer, too.
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Old 04-12-2017, 10:31 AM
 
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Dealership is not but an additional middle man and extra overhead cost that the customer ends up paying for. Couple of yrs back I wanted a Lexus GX SUV. It was a specific base model, fake leather, no navigation or fog lights, no lane departure etc because I didnt need all those gadgets. I searched for it in my state and none of the 3 major or closest cities had the base model in stock. I was surprised coz it was a common vehicle. I checked with all dealerships and they were like we have the next model up and its going to cost you $9k with the next trim upgrade. No body kept the base model because they could up sell the customers with the useless upgrades that they had stocked. When I asked them can they get it for me they were like sure, its going to be up to 3 months and I pay for all shipping and moving charges from West coast etc. I ended up getting the car shipped from a Florida dealership and doing the paperwork with them. Paying for my own transport was cheaper than what the dealership wanted.
And guess what, if there were no dealers and the automakers ran distribution for the entire country you'd have LESS chance of finding that car you were looking for. If the OEM handled distribution, they would most likely stock less variations of cares across the country. Dealers and automakers currently fight about the buildable combinations of each vehicle - dealers want more options and the automakers want to reduce the number of configurations to make it easier on their supply chain/plants.

Most people buying a Lexus want those options you passed on, and that's the most likely reason the dealers near you didn't have what you wanted. Do you honestly think dealers stock cars people don't want? They pay huge interest costs each month on their inventory so they are extremely motivated to stock the appropriate mix of cars & trucks.

I will say it makes no sense on why they told you that the shipping from west coast was your responsibility. That makes no sense to me....destination charges are the same for every like-model car regardless of where it ends up. They should have been able to order it and have it delivered to them, not the west coast. Something is off there...
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Old 04-12-2017, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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Because I want a car today, not weeks from now. I want to see and drive it in the exact color, material and equipment combinations that I'm looking for.
I've never had to get a car custom built to get what I wanted. I just went in, made a deal and left with the car. Today.
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Old 04-12-2017, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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There was an era when most people needed a travel agent to be the intermediary between the consumer and the airline. That era is over for good. No one needs an intermediary between themselves and American Airlines or Delta or whomever.

Similarly, I have no use for the services of an intermediary between me and the automobile manufacturer. The only reason it exists is because that intermediary bribes - er, "donates" - to state and local elected officials.
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Old 04-12-2017, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Podunk, IA
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There was an era when most people needed a travel agent to be the intermediary between the consumer and the airline. That era is over for good. No one needs an intermediary between themselves and American Airlines or Delta or whomever.

Similarly, I have no use for the services of an intermediary between me and the automobile manufacturer. The only reason it exists is because that intermediary bribes - er, "donates" - to state and local elected officials.
To answer "why did you not plan ahead"...

Sometimes cars just up and quit working.
Sometimes they give you hints that they're about to quit working, so you trade before something expensive happens.
Sometimes they get wrecked.
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Old 04-12-2017, 02:39 PM
 
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Seriously? It boggles my mind.

Say you order direct from the manufacturer.

What makes you think that you're getting a better deal? In that situation, Ford or Chevy or Tesla will set the price, and that's the price you'll pay. Hint...its MSRP.

Sure, they will throw out periodic incentives, but there is no incentive anymore to compete for your business. If you want a seamless, enjoyable transaction on a new car, walk into the dealer and offer to pay sticker price.

The dealership model is the worst...aside from all the others.
Who you think pays for commission all car salesmen get? Hint: CUSTOMER

Manufacturers don't need dealership for maintenance, service and recalls. For that they can start certification program for mechanics/repair shops so customers know who to trust for service.

Dealership model must go NOW!!!
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