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Old 12-24-2020, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Kirkland, WA (Metro Seattle)
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Well that said, I guess the only way to fight it is to buy older vehicles with relatively low mileage for their age. Why do you think I went with a 2010 Honda, 72,000mi/110,000km earlier this year? I got fed up with all the electric-this, electronic-that BS on more recent cars I've driven and owned.
Heh: reminds me of my used Porsche 996-series Turbo, an '01. First of the water-cooled, Mezger block 911s. Ran great, broke occasionally, right on the edge of being a 'Supercar' in how it behaved. AWD, so great in the snow. Six speed manual. Controls were not quite old fashioned but intuitive enough to figure out pretty quickly. Liked that car for a number of years before selling for good money to move onto something else, about the time used 911s were on the upswing due to weird market fluctuations in the more-exotic versions like the GT3 and GT3RS.

That was the last gentleman driver's car I've owned, though my Shelby GT350R is beastly enough to almost qualify. Also with a 6-speed, the Tremec version. Not too many performance cars with manuals left, and I sure do like mine.
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Old 12-24-2020, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Metro Washington DC
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If the owners manual warns them to use the parking brake then the lawsuit will fail, won't it?
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Old 12-24-2020, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Central Mass
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Now we have round dials. For what reason? Just to be different ?
Because we've gone from mechanical linkages to electronic controls. Automatics/CVTs don't need a floor shifter or column shifter when all you are doing is telling a computer what you want to do.

Dials are a lot cheaper than mechanical linkages.
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Old 12-24-2020, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Removing a snake out of the neighbor's washing machine
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Because we've gone from mechanical linkages to electronic controls.
Automatics/CVTs don't need a floor shifter or column shifter
when all you are doing is telling a computer what you want to do.

Dials are a lot cheaper than mechanical linkages.
So all this transition from electro-mechanical to purely FBW(fly-by-wire) is driven by money??

All the more reason for me to keep buying increasingly older cars! I don't need some chip thinking for me.
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Old 12-24-2020, 10:57 AM
 
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Well that said, I guess the only way to fight it is to buy older vehicles with relatively low mileage for their age. Why do you think I went with a 2010 Honda, 72,000mi/110,000km earlier this year? I got fed up with all the electric-this, electronic-that BS on more recent cars I've driven and owned.
The more electronic gadgets a vehicle has the bigger repair bill you get. These car companies have us all in a bind!
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Old 12-24-2020, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Central Mass
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So all this transition from electro-mechanical to purely FBW(fly-by-wire) is driven by money??
No, the major driver is CAFE standards. We wouldn't have automotive CVTs and drive by wire if they weren't forced to make full size sedans get 40 MPG
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Old 12-24-2020, 12:23 PM
 
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The more electronic gadgets a vehicle has the bigger repair bill you get. These car companies have us all in a bind!
Funny, over my 35 years of car ownership I have had fewer and fewer trips to the repair shop and more and more of the trips I do have are for maintenance, not repairs.
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Old 12-24-2020, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Northern California
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Chrysler 300s have a shift dial instead of a shift lever, but the dial is down in the same place where the lever used to be.
They could've / should've mounted the dial on the dash so the driver wouldn't have to look down.
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Old 12-24-2020, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Removing a snake out of the neighbor's washing machine
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Chrysler 300s have a shift dial instead of a shift lever, but the
dial is down in the same place where the lever used to be.
They could've / should've mounted the dial on the dash so the
driver wouldn't have to look down.
Overhinking. Just stick with a good ol' floor or column-mount shift lever!

Sheeze Louise!
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Old 12-24-2020, 04:51 PM
 
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I wish they'd just get rid of the shifter and make it so you have to advance through 6 different menus in the touch screen if you'd like to change the gears. In fact, I'm kind of surprised that it isn't this way already.
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