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You really can't go by CA, land of high gas prices and the most extreme environmental laws. In the whole USA Tesla sales were not even in the top 25, nor was any other EV. Total EV sales in CA were still only 8.3% in 2020.
My statement was about what I wrote and I provided data to back it up. Last I looked CA was part of the US and about 10% of the total population.
The car and driver link is missing the Model 3 - it should be about 16 on the list based on 2020 sales (206K). Some lists don't have Tesla sales because of the way they are reported. Tesla doesn't report sales by country, US sales data for Tesla normally come from NHTSB data that has not been reported for 4th quarter yet so estimates are made by experts from the 3rd quarter reports and then corrected when the report is finalized. CA Sales come from registration data.
Why you do keep posting British videos that are irrelevant in the US?
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- EV catch fire less than 10% as often as any other vehicle so really quite different as far as frequency. True, but with an ICE vehicle you generally know when it will catch fire (smell of gas, spills). Can the same be said for an electric vehicle?
- On average an EV is much less to fill than an ICE vehicle - my place in CA, the cost to fill is about $7.50 vs about $60 for equivalent in gas - in NV, my cost to fill is about $3.50 vs $50. True for the time being. As I mentioned before, I'd expect costs for electricity either in the form of higher rates or alternate taxes when the gas tax revenue decreases. How much that will be? Who knows.
- The electric generation capacity in the US runs at just over 50% capacity. Converting all vehicles to EV would increase electricity use to about 60%. Studies show that current generation capacity and infrastructure could handle the additional load. I can't say I have enough knowledge to comment here
- Range on EVs can exceed 400 miles and most places chargers exist to extend that to unlimited but 98% of car trips are less than 30 miles. The only car rated for over 400 miles is a Tesla S, which starts at $70k. Maybe you can hypermile a Tesla 3 to get over 400 but who wants to drive like that??? And you should modify that to say 98% of car trips are under 30 miles in urban areas I can tell you for a fact way more than 2% of my trips are over 30 miles and I live in a metro area of 500k.
- The Model 3 is available at $37K which is almost 10% less than the average new car in the US of $40.1K, many other EVs are much less with up to $7.5K tax rebate. If the price of the car were the only consideration, a lot more people buy them...the $37k car has "only" 263 mile range. Many would have to add the cost of at least a 220v charger. Some don't even have a garage, do you want a cord going from your home to the street? We'll see when the $25k Tesla comes out (snicker).
- EVs drive like any other car except faster off the line - only thing that is much like a golf cart is no need to change gears - push the throttle and go. True, I drove a Mirai which is much slower but it was a nice drive
- Batteries are an expensive part of an EV, just like the drive train of an ICE vehicle - still the cost of an EV is about the same as an ICE vehicle and battery prices are going down while ICE component costs are getting more expensive. Again true but as I have said before I don't believe all the savings will be passed on to the consumer. There is so much money spent on research that companies have to recover this money. Tesla's profit is still only from carbon credits, not from operations so it will be difficult for them to pass all the savings. They need to spend money on refreshing their cars. And the car manufacturers are catching up so Tesla will slowly lose market share. Most of the electric cars coming out now are $45k and up, so it will take a while to get below $30k for a profitable car (no Federal incentives).
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Well split hairs all you wish. People buy trucks and use them for the exact same thing they use cars for.
So pointless semantics noted.
Pickup trucks are much of utility multi-use vehicles. That's what makes them so attractive to US consumers, although these vehicles are getting very expensive. A car is more convenient for family driving, but a pickup truck can be used for a lot of others reasons, in addition to family members using it as a family vehicle.
Pickup trucks are much of utility multi-use vehicles.
Yeah most people that but them use them to commute.
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That's what makes them so attractive to US consumers, although these vehicles are getting very expensive. A car is more convenient for family driving, but a pickup truck can be used for a lot of others reasons, in addition to family members using it as a family vehicle.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion on what is more convenient but I don't think people who own pick ups and use them to drive around agree with you.
That's what RayinAK seems to be doing, trying to impose his biases formed from his sub-Arctic environment on the rest of us in the lower 48. There are good reasons why an EV may not be the most optimal choice for Alaskans, but they don't apply to most of us down here.
You assuming that this is what Ray from Alaska is implying. Assumptions are rarely the truth. If you read my responses in this thread, i am explaining why it is very difficult for EV's to be widely accepted in Alaska. I have also mentioned that in places where there are concentrations of people living close to each other (towns, cities, and so on), and as long as chargers are available along the roads, then EV's probably are a good choice.
I even mentioned CA as being fine for EV's, or the UK and their neighbors, and also states or cities that are in proximity to each other.
Yeah most people that but them use them to commute.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion on what is more convenient but I don't think people who own pick ups and use them to drive around agree with you.
We all have opinions. As for me, I use a pickup truck and trailer when I need lumber and other construction materials, including topsoil or gravel, for my home. For example, I purchased 3 very large fiberglass 3-pane windows, had the window company load the windows on the bed of the truck, and then a friend and I unloaded them from the truck once I returned home. I use this pickup truck along a topper over the bed to sleep at night off the roads when on long trips to photograph wildlife, or the Auroras. During the moose season, I tow a trailer that is loaded with a UTV and meat trailer, or to haul a boat/trailer during the summer. The rest of the time I don't need to drive the truck; instead drive a Toyota Corolla.
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