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Old 01-24-2021, 08:02 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Actually, EV's will help avoid blackouts. Here in California we often have surplus electricity around high noon due to large amounts of solar power production. EVs can help sponge up that excess and in effect become rolling storage. In future emergencies, utilities will be able to draw power from car batteries back into the grid. It's called Vehicle-to-Grid (V2G) and manufacturers are designing that capability into new models. The grid will need to be updated and expanded, yes, but the transition will be manageable.
The other problem is that electricity is too expensive. The utility company have generated so much energy from residential and commercial solar and it could afford providing energy completely free. Instead we get this expensive delivery charge and the government has yet to crack down on the utility monopoly's shenanigans.

 
Old 01-24-2021, 08:05 PM
 
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I think EV will eventually be what we all drive but I think EV fans get carried away with how soon that will happen. For laughs, go back to 2015 CD threads to see predictions on what was going to happen by 2020. I think in 2015 the Toyota CEO was predicting "peak oil" by 2020. It's always easy to make grandiose statements about what is going to happen 5 or more years out because no one can immediately prove you wrong and few will bother to look back at what you once said.
 
Old 01-24-2021, 08:17 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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The other problem is that electricity is too expensive. The utility company have generated so much energy from residential and commercial solar and it could afford providing energy completely free. Instead we get this expensive delivery charge and the government has yet to crack down on the utility monopoly's shenanigans.

Yea, that is a problem though thankfully EVs are efficient enough that even in places with fairly expensive electrical utility rates, the cost per mile is usually still better with the EV.
 
Old 01-24-2021, 08:21 PM
 
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Folks still don't understand very much about the future of battery and solar technology and prices, but are somehow very confident in stating the EV transition isn't gonna happen anytime soon.

Amusing.

Even more amusing considering the investing world has now realized it and ballooning all sorts of renewable stocks.

But yeah sure, not happening! Lol
 
Old 01-24-2021, 08:34 PM
 
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Folks still don't understand very much about the future of battery and solar technology and prices, but are somehow very confident in stating the EV transition isn't gonna happen anytime soon.
well battery technology should move toward solid state that would give it a much longer lifespan and make them a little more resilient to temperature differentials.

The solar power is likely not going to get anywhere outside of you having your own solar panels. And it's mostly because you can't make the Sunshine any brighter. That's also a problem with wind generation you can't make the wind blow any harder. So generation of energy that way will always be limited
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Amusing.

Even more amusing considering the investing world has now realized it and ballooning all sorts of renewable stocks.

But yeah sure, not happening! Lol
It's a pretty smart investment at least for right now because there's certain places saying they're going to mandate it by law. And such an abuse of authority will be a boon for technology even if it's not that great.

Think about how big of a business auto insurance became once it started being required? And frankly it sucks.
 
Old 01-24-2021, 08:37 PM
 
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No one's saying the battery will last only 7 years (at least I don't think anyone's that stupid).
Well...

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Realistically it's between 7 and 12 years if you use it everyday.
 
Old 01-24-2021, 08:43 PM
 
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Well...
Did you forget how to read I didn't say it would only last 7 years. There are two numbers there.

7 to 12, means 7 years or 8 years or 9 years or 10 years or 11 years or 12 years so that poster is right nobody is saying they only last 7 years.

Next time take the time to comprehend.
 
Old 01-24-2021, 09:44 PM
 
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Except for two things, these cars are NOT cheap and the average working stiff cant afford one, then, most people have NO Idea what the cost to replace the batteries will be! it could cost half the cost of the car to replace all the batteries and pay disposal fees and installation, even if you want to sell it used who the heck is going to pay much for a car that very shortly will need a very expensive battery replacement akin to replacing the engine in your gasoline car!


I can buy a good used gasoline vehicle cheap, you wont find that with EV, nobody is going to sell one that is running for something like $900 unless the body is wrecked and its for parts, but you can buy a used Buick or Chevy etc to get to work in for that.
 
Old 01-24-2021, 09:58 PM
 
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Except for two things, these cars are NOT cheap and the average working stiff cant afford one, then, most people have NO Idea what the cost to replace the batteries will be! it could cost half the cost of the car to replace all the batteries and pay disposal fees and installation, even if you want to sell it used who the heck is going to pay much for a car that very shortly will need a very expensive battery replacement akin to replacing the engine in your gasoline car!


I can buy a good used gasoline vehicle cheap, you wont find that with EV, nobody is going to sell one that is running for something like $900 unless the body is wrecked and its for parts, but you can buy a used Buick or Chevy etc to get to work in for that.
Isn't the cost what the article is addressing?

For the 8-10 year warranty period, you should be good. After that, we have to hope battery prices go down and/or you're not one of the unlucky ones where the battery prematurely dies.

If this goes down the path of hybrids, we should be in good shape.
 
Old 01-24-2021, 10:17 PM
 
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People didn't move to gas cars, because they ran out of hay for the horses.


It'll probably be by some time in 2023 when the US sees at least 10% new vehicle market share for plug-ins. I'm guessing we'll see majority by some time in 2028. Of course, because the median age of the US's car fleet is nearing 12 years old, it'll probably be a couple of decades before the majority of vehicles in the US are plug-ins.
Impossible. The PIEV market is only expected to be up to 7.6% of vehicle sales by the end of 2026.

https://www.statista.com/topics/4421...icle-industry/

EV sales for last quarter of 2019, were down 26% from previous year.

Total EVs on road only 1.6 of light vehicles.
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