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Old 01-25-2021, 01:46 PM
 
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well battery technology should move toward solid state that would give it a much longer lifespan and make them a little more resilient to temperature differentials.

The solar power is likely not going to get anywhere outside of you having your own solar panels. And it's mostly because you can't make the Sunshine any brighter. That's also a problem with wind generation you can't make the wind blow any harder. So generation of energy that way will always be limited

It's a pretty smart investment at least for right now because there's certain places saying they're going to mandate it by law. And such an abuse of authority will be a boon for technology even if it's not that great.

Think about how big of a business auto insurance became once it started being required? And frankly it sucks.
Solid state not needed. Tech coming out now will last 1 million miles. Way longer than the life of a car.

Solar is now the cheapest form of energy. Marginal benefit of adding more solar than needed is enormous. I think you underestimate the significance of that.

 
Old 01-25-2021, 01:47 PM
 
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Well...

Current tech coming out will allow car batteries to last...50 years.
 
Old 01-25-2021, 01:47 PM
 
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You are wrong about the reasons for Germany's current energy issues.

Due to the Japanese Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster in March, 2011, Germany made a political decision to shut down their own nuclear plants soon thereafter. This shutdown happened many years before they planned to decommission the nukes and they were not prepared for the electricity demand. They were energy exporters when the nukes were operating. Nukes were also an important part of the German bridging plan policy to get to the German wind and solar goals. Clearly, the Germans made a huge mistake by instantly shutting down their nuclear plants. This is the reason for the current increase in pollution and increase in electricity cost in Germany.
More lies from the solar and windmill lobby. Germans are still getting electricity from nuke plants or their economy would be under the dirt. There was no rush shutdown of anything, more lies. As each nuke plant came up for license renewal, there was no attempt to renew, and they were shut down instead. This lead to zero guessing about how the power supply from nukes would very predictably and gradually be phased out. Their problems were entirely due to Merkel believing the ludicrous claims of efficiency of the windmill and solar proponents. They were and are liars.
 
Old 01-25-2021, 02:36 PM
 
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Current tech coming out will allow car batteries to last...50 years.
I'll believe that when I see it.
 
Old 01-25-2021, 05:50 PM
 
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I'll believe that when I see it.
OK I'll post the degradation / cycle curve when it's available in a production vehicle.
 
Old 01-25-2021, 06:08 PM
 
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Solid state not needed. Tech coming out now will last 1 million miles. Way longer than the life of a car.
Sure it is.
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Solar is now the cheapest form of energy. Marginal benefit of adding more solar than needed is enormous. I think you underestimate the significance of that.
Again sure.
 
Old 01-25-2021, 08:42 PM
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More lies from the solar and windmill lobby. Germans are still getting electricity from nuke plants or their economy would be under the dirt. There was no rush shutdown of anything, more lies. As each nuke plant came up for license renewal, there was no attempt to renew, and they were shut down instead. This lead to zero guessing about how the power supply from nukes would very predictably and gradually be phased out. Their problems were entirely due to Merkel believing the ludicrous claims of efficiency of the windmill and solar proponents. They were and are liars.
Wrong again.

It had ZERO to do with the solar and windmill lobby.
The time table was immediate for 8 and the final closing for the rest of the nukes was moved up from 2036 to 2022.

"But on March 15, 2011—years before the plant was expected to be retired—the plumes suddenly stopped issuing from the towers. Days earlier, in Japan, the cores of three reactors at the Fukushima nuclear plant had partially melted, sending shockwaves through nuclear-producing nations around the world. The German government ordered the operator of Biblis, a German company called RWE, to shut the plant down immediately. Later, a German court would find that the government had no authority to order the shutdown, but it was too late. Biblis would never operate again.

It was one of eight nuclear plants that the government ordered to immediately shut down, at first temporarily but later permanently, in the wake of Japan’s Fukushima nuclear disaster, which had been triggered by a massive earthquake and resulting tsunami. An overwhelming 80% of Germany’s parliament voted to move up Germany's phase out date for nuclear power to the end of 2022, from the previous 2036, dealing a decisive blow to Germany's once-grand nuclear power ambitions. Among the lawmakers opposed were those in the left-wing Die Linke party, who thought the shutdown timeline was too slow."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottca...h=79f18fc63ef7
 
Old 01-26-2021, 06:54 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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Plugins are just now entering the more popular vehicle segments and seem to be doing well so far.


The Model Y seems to be well outselling its other luxury CUV/SUV counterparts: https://www.torquenews.com/1083/tesl...e-major-brands


The Toyota RAV4 Prime is increasing monthly production allocation for the US pretty steadily and still selling every one they make: https://www.torquenews.com/1083/toyo...les-back-tesla


Later on this year, you'll see other CUV/SUV entries like the Hyundai Ioniq 5, Nissan Ariya, Chevy Bolt EUV, VW ID.4, Audi Q4 etron among others. Ford Mach E is out, but just barely and slowly ramping up. Ford also has a PHEV variant of its Escape coming out soon.
 
Old 01-26-2021, 07:15 AM
 
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You are wrong about the reasons for Germany's current energy issues.

Due to the Japanese Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster in March, 2011, Germany made a political decision to shut down their own nuclear plants soon thereafter. This shutdown happened many years before they planned to decommission the nukes and they were not prepared for the electricity demand. They were energy exporters when the nukes were operating. Nukes were also an important part of the German bridging plan policy to get to the German wind and solar goals. Clearly, the Germans made a huge mistake by instantly shutting down their nuclear plants. This is the reason for the current increase in pollution and increase in electricity cost in Germany.
Germany made the mistake back in 2000 of introducing Energiewende. It has been an expensive failure.

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We can measure just how far the Energiewende has pushed Germany toward the ultimate goal of decarbonization. In 2000, the country derived nearly 84 percent of its total primary energy from fossil fuels; this share fell to about 78 percent in 2019. If continued, this rate of decline would leave fossil fuels still providing nearly 70 percent of the country’s primary energy supply in 2050.
Meanwhile, during the same 20-year period, the United States reduced the share of fossil fuels in its primary energy consumption from 85.7 percent to 80 percent, cutting almost exactly as much as Germany did. The conclusion is as surprising as it is indisputable. Without anything like the expensive, target-mandated Energiewende, the United States has decarbonized at least as fast as Germany, the supposed poster child of emerging greenness.
https://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/ren...20-years-later
 
Old 01-26-2021, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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I don't think so yet. Because the $25k CUV EV has yet to appear. Which Tesla could be announcing. The only thing is we just don't have the infrastructure yet to support 100k EVs on the road each state yet. It will likely cause blackouts in many cities.
Back in September 2020 Elon Musk announced the $25k EV would be out in 3 years. So, 32 months to go.
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