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Old 02-08-2021, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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The best application for electric cars is local driving they're not good for road trips they're not good for towing they're not good for replacing semis. This means they should be dirt cheap cuz you're going to have a second vehicle and has to cost nothing. Considering I can get a 12-year-old pickup truck and drive it back and forth to Austin 24/7 and it only costs me five to six thousand dollars for the truck money for gas.

When the utility of something that cheap is greater than the utility of an electric car and nobody's going to buy an electric car especially for the money they're asking for.

Any new car is going to cost more than your hypothetical 12 year old truck, so might as well complain about EVERY car you can't afford. My Bolt is a 200 hp hatchback that cost about the same as a GTI or MINI Cooper (which are direct competitors) and is more fun, more practical, and probably much more reliable. But again, you don't know that because you refuse to learn anything.
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Old 02-08-2021, 02:14 PM
 
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The bigger question is without fuel taxes how will we maintain those highways?
A tax for highway maintenance. Easy fix.
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Old 02-08-2021, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas & San Diego
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The best application for electric cars is local driving they're not good for road trips they're not good for towing they're not good for replacing semis. This means they should be dirt cheap cuz you're going to have a second vehicle and has to cost nothing. Considering I can get a 12-year-old pickup truck and drive it back and forth to Austin 24/7 and it only costs me five to six thousand dollars for the truck money for gas.

When the utility of something that cheap is greater than the utility of an electric car and nobody's going to buy an electric car especially for the money they're asking for.
Not true - I go long distance in an EV at least 2x a month and I pull a trailer long distance in an EV regularly.

Tesla has a Semi, production expected to start this summer. So I guess that is wrong also.

Why would you go back and forth without reason? The cost of filling an EV is dramatically lower and much less maintenance - try equating costs with distance vs vehicle - in what way is a 12 year old beater truck better than a new EV for ride, speed and safety. Comparing a 12 year old vehicle to a new EV is idiotic - Get some experience.

Markets price vehicles not silly reasoning by those with no experience.
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Old 02-08-2021, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Fort Payne Alabama
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A tax for highway maintenance. Easy fix.
Based upon what? Income, Sales Tax.......?
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Old 02-08-2021, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Based upon what? Income, Sales Tax.......?

Do away with the gas tax and just charge a mileage tax based on the weight class of the vehicle. Simple. If you drive less, you pay less.
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Old 02-08-2021, 06:20 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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Not true - I go long distance in an EV at least 2x a month and I pull a trailer long distance in an EV regularly.

Tesla has a Semi, production expected to start this summer. So I guess that is wrong also.

Why would you go back and forth without reason? The cost of filling an EV is dramatically lower and much less maintenance - try equating costs with distance vs vehicle - in what way is a 12 year old beater truck better than a new EV for ride, speed and safety. Comparing a 12 year old vehicle to a new EV is idiotic - Get some experience.

Markets price vehicles not silly reasoning by those with no experience.

It'll be interesting to see how that Semi works out. I'm guessing the first few years of it will be intended for short and medium haul due to the battery weight penalty for long distances with heavy towing.
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Old 02-08-2021, 06:36 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Eventually, driving across many states in an EV will just take about 15% longer than a gas car. Because soon Tesla will have enough charging station coverage. If I were to go through multiple states in a gas car. Typical range is about 300mi range on a full tank driving normally around 65mph avg. Each time I stop to fill the gas tank, say it takes about 8 mins. With Tesla's charging it takes only about 20mins to get up to 80% full from 10% range. If you're not in a hurry, driving 1000 miles probably will take an extra hour compared to gas car.
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Old 02-08-2021, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Newburyport, MA
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It'll be interesting to see how that Semi works out. I'm guessing the first few years of it will be intended for short and medium haul due to the battery weight penalty for long distances with heavy towing.
They're going to need special chargers for these trucks too. The bigger the battery capacity, the longer it takes to charge, so you need to increase charging current/power significantly to compensate for these big semi truck batteries. I know they're working on that, but I don't think it's trivial.
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Old 02-08-2021, 07:41 PM
 
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Any new car is going to cost more than your hypothetical 12 year old truck, so might as well complain about EVERY car you can't afford.
An electric car isn't as reliable as a 12 year old truck at least for long distances.
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My Bolt is a 200 hp hatchback that cost about the same as a GTI or MINI Cooper (which are direct competitors) and is more fun, more practical, and probably much more reliable. But again, you don't know that because you refuse to learn anything.
Most things are more reliable than a junky money pit like a mini or a VW. The fact that it costs as much as a much more sophisticated machine means people are charging to much for them. I don't learn nonsense, I prefer knowledge.
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Old 02-08-2021, 07:47 PM
 
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Not true - I go long distance in an EV at least 2x a month and I pull a trailer long distance in an EV regularly.
Sure, and my F150 flys at 30,000 feet every month.

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Why would you go back and forth without reason? The cost of filling an EV is dramatically lower and much less maintenance - try equating costs with distance vs vehicle - in what way is a 12 year old beater truck better than a new EV for ride, speed and safety. Comparing a 12 year old vehicle to a new EV is idiotic - Get some experience.
I could serve from Florida to Alaska without having to recharge the battery, towing a 10000 lb trailer up hill. It is ridiculous. An old truck for a fraction of the cost can do more. Cheaper insurance too.
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Markets price vehicles not silly reasoning by those with no experience.
I've played with electric cars for years. When they go dead that's it.
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