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Yes, the average moron will run right back and buy a new car from the same manufacturer that sold them a car that only lasted 100K. Your argument is illogical.
Illogical or not it happens all the time. Most service departments notify the sales department when they have vehicles in for service that are not cost effective to repair, in order to give the sales departments leads. Most people are more concerned with impressing friends and co-workers with how cool a car is rather than how good of service they get from it. The manufactures are aware of this now, and the result has been more attention to styling and less on engineering. That is why you are seeing reliability issues now with formally top notch brands like BMW and Lexus.
Illogical or not it happens all the time. Most service departments notify the sales department when they have vehicles in for service that are not cost effective to repair, in order to give the sales departments leads. Most people are more concerned with impressing friends and co-workers with how cool a car is rather than how good of service they get from it. The manufactures are aware of this now, and the result has been more attention to styling and less on engineering. That is why you are seeing reliability issues now with formally top notch brands like BMW and Lexus.
I'm not aware of any Lexus reliability issues. BMW has apparently been improving their reliability. Their reliability seemed to take a big hit around the time that they introduced the IDrive system in their vehicles. Do you have a link that supports your statement about declining reliability in Lexus and BMW models?
one question, what could possibly go wrong when oil isn't changed according to the 3000 mile rule? how will it affect the engine?
The ideal best time is to change the oil when it still can suspend contaminates in solution. The hard part is telling when this effect is over and contaiminates are no longer in suspention.
A lot depends on what engine, where it is weather wise, how the engine is used, like many short trips are around town, where the engine never really get to be 'Full Warm', or all long interstate drives which is easier on on oil.
Other factors are how many failed start attemps, which tends to add fuel passing the rings into the oil in the crank case. Other engine related problems can ruin oil much sooner, one would be coolant entering the crank case.
Oil suspends acids that build up as hydrocarbons that never get out of the oil, and become a sulfuric acid. usually this is more sevear if a car that is due or over due for an oil change is parked and stored a long time, but can happen with a car that isn't parked and stored if that car is used around town for many short trips.
The acid will begin to eat the bearings that are made of babbit first. These tend to be crank shaft, cam shaft, and big end rod bearings.
In the case where the engine block or head is the bearing, then it will be the alloy say at the camshaft(s) where they are encased with a cam cap hold down.
With out removing a cam cap hold down there is no way to see if there is any damage.
I am out of date, but when I wasn't a great deal of engine no longer used any form of babbit bearings on cam shafts, and the alloy head was bare as well as the cap hold down to steel cam shaft, which when acid is present causes galvanic action to eat the less noble metal.
When this happens varries with all the above and a lot more that would take days to write.
Locations as i said mean something too, since a car in Fla will not go from cold start to warm and suffer the same effect as a car in NH doing the same thing.
Just like placing ice cubes in a glass and seeeing water appear from thin air, any engine block also so this inside, and water is created.
It is important to get that water condenced and breathed back through the intake, via engine breather, and burnt up an blown out.
I pay more than $70 for 4.5 liters of oil + $5 for filter every 3K miles and I think it is still worth it
I wonder how you computed that it is "worth it". If I keep your Camry or Accord for 300,000 miles, I will spend $7,500 to save an engine that would cost less than $7,500 to replace. Or $5,000 over 200K miles. Either way.
I wonder how you computed that it is "worth it". If I keep your Camry or Accord for 300,000 miles, I will spend $7,500 to save an engine that would cost less than $7,500 to replace. Or $5,000 over 200K miles. Either way.
no you would not.. You still have to change the oil sometime less then every 10k miles if you want to make 300k miles so that you still have to include that costs too. In actuality you will only add a few hundred dollars if you do the oil change yourself over the life of the car.. Even if you changed your oil every 3000 miles and did it yourself it would cost $1500 over 300,000 miles.. Like I said before its a no brainer.
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I'm not aware of any Lexus reliability issues. BMW has apparently been improving their reliability. Their reliability seemed to take a big hit around the time that they introduced the IDrive system in their vehicles. Do you have a link that supports your statement about declining reliability in Lexus and BMW models?
Both these articles address falling reliability ratings of BMW and Lexus, Lexus is also being plagued buy the same acceleration issues as Toyota. A CHP officer and his family were recently killed here in San Diego as a result of such a issue.
Both these articles address falling reliability ratings of BMW and Lexus, Lexus is also being plagued buy the same acceleration issues as Toyota. A CHP officer and his family were recently killed here in San Diego as a result of such a issue.
Where in the article does it state that Lexus or BMW reliability is falling?
"J.D. Power and Associates’ annual reliability study was just released, and Buick and Jaguar are tied for the top spot, unseating Lexus. The rankings are for three-year-old vehicles, which are rated according to problems per 100 vehicles. J.D. Power mails out surveys to thousands of people, and this year’s field included 46,000 original owners of 2006-model-year vehicles. Four of the top 10 brands were domestic makes, including Mercury, Lincoln and Cadillac. Buick and Jaguar tallied 122 problems per 100 vehicles, with Lexus close behind at 126. Toyota won five segment awards for best models, including the Toyota Highlander, Prius, Sequoia, Camry Solara and Tundra, which was the most of any automaker. Lexus fielded four winners in the ES 330, GX 470, LS 430 and SC 430. While those scores are impressive, we’re not quite sure how Scion, another Toyota nameplate, ranked near the bottom of the list with 222 problems per 100 vehicles.
While the results may sound surprising on their face, Buick has been in the top 10 since the survey was relaunched in 2003. Jaguar also steadily improved in quality while under Ford ownership. Jaguar was sold last year to Indian carmaker Tata Motors.
Keep reading for scores of each brand as well as each vehicle segment."
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