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This should be an easy one for the. NTSB to unpack. If they are on-point this is what the report should look like.
Capt was transitioning from the A320 to the B777. The design philosphy difference between airbus and boeing was a the root cause that set the stage for the entire debacle. Boeing designs their cockpit assuming that there will be a professional pilot on-board who can handle hand flying an aircraft. Conversely the airbus is packed with automation that protects the flight crew from errors. Take a guy from the A320 and put him in the 777 and he will have to a transition to make. It seems that this capt may have passed his ground school but he lacked the practical skills to make the transition.
Since capt was accustomed to the airbus product he expected the autothrottles to kick-in when the aircraft slowed to below VREF. He not only expected it he. Likely depended on it. In the airbus the Autothrottles will not let an aircraft slow to below vref. When the autopilot is disengaged on the Boeing it is off. There is no passive VREF protection like the A320. It is up to the flight crew to maintain speed and all other parameters in the 777.
This capt was so new to the Boeing products he expected them to act like the airbus. He had been indoctrinated into the airbus- he never. Made the transition to the Boeing design philosophy. He lacked the operating experience to instinctively fly the 777. Unfortunatly the last linr of protection -the check airman in the right seat- failed. The check airman in the right seat did not intervene. These three factors -three always seems like the holy number- caused the crash.
1. Check airman lack of intervention
2. Initial operating experience Capt not having working knowledge of Boeing systems.
3. Design difference between the Airbus and Boeing cockpit.
This should be an easy one for the. NTSB to unpack. If they are on-point this is what the report should look like.
Capt was transitioning from the A320 to the B777. The design philosphy difference between airbus and boeing was a the root cause that set the stage for the entire debacle. Boeing designs their cockpit assuming that there will be a professional pilot on-board who can handle hand flying an aircraft. Conversely the airbus is packed with automation that protects the flight crew from errors. Take a guy from the A320 and put him in the 777 and he will have to a transition to make. It seems that this capt may have passed his ground school but he lacked the practical skills to make the transition.
Since capt was accustomed to the airbus product he expected the autothrottles to kick-in when the aircraft slowed to below VREF. He not only expected it he. Likely depended on it. In the airbus the Autothrottles will not let an aircraft slow to below vref. When the autopilot is disengaged on the Boeing it is off. There is no passive VREF protection like the A320. It is up to the flight crew to maintain speed and all other parameters in the 777.
This capt was so new to the Boeing products he expected them to act like the airbus. He had been indoctrinated into the airbus- he never. Made the transition to the Boeing design philosophy. He lacked the operating experience to instinctively fly the 777. Unfortunatly the last linr of protection -the check airman in the right seat- failed. The check airman in the right seat did not intervene. These three factors -three always seems like the holy number- caused the crash.
1. Check airman lack of intervention
2. Initial operating experience Capt not having working knowledge of Boeing systems.
3. Design difference between the Airbus and Boeing cockpit.
I read somewhere that the pilot in question had time in B747-400s. Asiana also operates B767s and A330s so it's possible that he only had Airbus experience (long haul flights), but it seems likely that he would have had right seat time in Boeing aircraft in the past.
What are you smoking - are you saying you would not have recognized what you were reading?? lol
She reported the information correctly. She was just reading the information given to the station from the NTSB. It was not her job to determine the validity of the information.
She reported the information correctly. She was just reading the information given to the station from the NTSB. It was not her job to determine the validity of the information.
No, it is very much a reporters job to verify information.
It gets worse then that. The death toll is now at three, and it is starting to look like all of the victims could have been saved.
2 United pilots radioed for aid minutes after crash
The unidentified pilots of the United Boeing 747 that was waiting to enter the runway for takeoff radioed the control tower and reported that from their cockpit they could see victims who were alive and moving about 500 yards from the fuselage - but who were struggling and needed help.
Their alert is significant because San Francisco fire officials have said that they did not learn about that group of critically injured victims until 14 minutes after the crash - and only after an airport field officer made a report to them.
Desperate situation
Elliot Stone, Cindy Stone's son who also survived the crash, told The Chronicle that the situation was desperate.
"We were yelling, yelling, yelling, but couldn't get any of the emergency responders to come over and help," Stone said. He said his family called 911 about 25 minutes after the crash, "and then it was 10 to 15 minutes until we got somebody over to help."
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