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Old 07-06-2013, 02:27 PM
 
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Boeing 777 crashes at San Francisco International Airport - CNN.com
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Old 07-06-2013, 02:33 PM
 
Location: South Park, San Diego
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People casually walking off a burning, just crashed aircraft carrying their bags?!!!
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Old 07-06-2013, 02:37 PM
 
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More photos at South Korean passenger jet crashes at SFO - SFGate .
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Old 07-06-2013, 03:48 PM
 
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Atc tape from right before to right after:

http://soberbuildengineer-com.s3.ama...KSFO-Crash.mp3
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Old 07-07-2013, 07:52 AM
 
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Early reports is the rear wheels might have hit the seawall causing the plane to "trip forward".......Very sad 2 young girls died due to an error
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Old 07-07-2013, 01:06 PM
 
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People casually walking off a burning, just crashed aircraft carrying their bags?!!!
That SO p.sses me off. Seconds (literally) count, your carry-on doesn't.
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Old 07-07-2013, 01:10 PM
 
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Early reports is the rear wheels might have hit the seawall causing the plane to "trip forward".......Very sad 2 young girls died due to an error
The NTSB is already on the FDRs, we'll see what comes out. From what I've read, the ILS (Instrument Landing System) was off for the runway (perfectly OK to do in good conditions), so the pilots had to fly a manual approach. They appear to have botched it - it remains to see if there was a mechanical problem either making them come in short, keeping them from going around, or both.
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Old 07-07-2013, 02:19 PM
 
Location: North West Northern Ireland.
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People casually walking off a burning, just crashed aircraft carrying their bags?!!!
They need a good slap.
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Old 07-07-2013, 03:15 PM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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The NTSB is already on the FDRs, we'll see what comes out. From what I've read, the ILS (Instrument Landing System) was off for the runway (perfectly OK to do in good conditions), so the pilots had to fly a manual approach. They appear to have botched it - it remains to see if there was a mechanical problem either making them come in short, keeping them from going around, or both.
Yes, I just read that as well, and I find that very surprising for a busy major International airport. Most certainly was a contributing factor in the crash.

Yes, I know it's perfectly possible to bring an airliner in manually, but how often do pilots of heavy jet airliners do it in the real world? I'm not a pilot, but I've been flying computer Flight Sims for 25 years. And I know that, after a bunch of auto-pilot ILS approaches, you can get rusty real fast and have a harrowing experience with a manual approach if you haven't done one for a while. What happened on that 777 approach has happened to me a number of times when I get rusty for whatever reason.

I hope a real airline pilot will chime in here and tell us how frequently this occurs. I'm frankly stunned by this news, as a 777 or any other huge aircraft is handful to maneuver manually.
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Old 07-07-2013, 03:28 PM
 
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There's now video of the landing up on CNN. It's blurry, and from a distance, but you see it hit. I didn't understand when people said they saw it cartwheel. It didn't flip over (what a cartwheel is to me, and I figure that would really break the wings) but I guess it tipped a bit when it rotated around.

NTSB: Pilots asked to do a 'go-around' 1.5 seconds before impact - CNN.com


Edit: The passengers on the plane getting ready to takeoff have a good view. That would mess with your head.
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