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Old 07-12-2017, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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The crash of the KC-130 plane the other day with 16 marines onboard is truly heart-wrenching. Makes you wonder how many things should go wrong at the same time for a crash like that. KC-130 is a workhorse. It's not some experimental plane. For it to go down like that in broad daylight is baffling. Planes don't go down like that anymore.
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Old 07-12-2017, 07:31 AM
 
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I keep telling people, '130s are widow-makers!
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Old 07-12-2017, 08:28 AM
 
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The crash of the KC-130 plane the other day with 16 marines onboard is truly heart-wrenching. Makes you wonder how many things should go wrong at the same time for a crash like that. KC-130 is a workhorse. It's not some experimental plane. For it to go down like that in broad daylight is baffling. Planes don't go down like that anymore.
It's not one thing, it's a chain of things that likely went wrong. Give a thousand monkeys typewriters for a thousand years and they will type Shakespeare's and all that jazz.

Was it the A model by chance? Not sure if those have all been retired yet (retired to firebombing duty that is).
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Old 07-12-2017, 11:49 AM
 
Location: SW OK (AZ Native)
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It's not one thing, it's a chain of things that likely went wrong. Give a thousand monkeys typewriters for a thousand years and they will type Shakespeare's and all that jazz.

Was it the A model by chance? Not sure if those have all been retired yet (retired to firebombing duty that is).
It was a T-model, first ones were built back in 1983. Since it's possibly over thirty years old, that could have been a factor. There have only been 3 Class A crashes in that model, two fatal including this week's, the other occurred in Pakistan 15 years ago (the last KC-130T crash). Hardly a widow-maker as someone obtusely commented earlier.


The aircraft hit in a fairly flat attitude, and a witness stated it was spinning and smoking. That could point to some sort of structural failure, but I'll leave that for the mishap investigation board to determine and then we will know, as Paul Harvey used to say, the rest of the story.
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Old 07-12-2017, 12:11 PM
 
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Thanks for the current info. I was thinking of the fatigue cracking in the wing box that was an issue for the older models. That A model that had a structural failure while firebombing comes to mind.
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Old 07-12-2017, 12:12 PM
 
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Here is the latest:

Mississippi Marine plane crash left 2 impact sites, general says - CNN.com
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Old 07-12-2017, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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If this was a commercial plane all indications would point to terrorism. Breaking up at 20,000 ft., impact sites separated by a mile, spiraling down with white smoke trailing. This stuff just doesn't happen like that. Too many things would have to go wrong at the same time.
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Old 07-12-2017, 07:14 PM
 
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re video at: Mississippi Marine plane crash: Engine found, sheriff says - CNN.com

The plane appears to have pancaked upside down and intact. I suspect the 2nd impact site is an engine. The question then is what could put an airplane into an unrecoverable upside down spin?
My guesses are:
- a deliberate action by a suicidal crew member
- a cargo shift/loose heavy cargo
- an explosion, possibly cargo, that affected flight controls and engine inputs

I've flown in C-130s, they are reliable workhorses, with accidents generally happening on landing or takeoff not at cruising altitude.

Note in 1966: "CC-130B 10304 of the Royal Canadian Air Force crash landed in a field after losing a forward cargo door inflight, resulting in structural damage due to explosive decompression.[13]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s#.C2.A0Canada
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Old 07-12-2017, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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I am sure the military will find out but the public will never know. Given that it was such a target rich flight in terms of human life, I would not chalk it up to "structural failure"
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Old 07-12-2017, 07:46 PM
 
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Why do you say "the public will never know"? Unless the aircraft was on a classified mission, the military
crash investigation team, along with Lockheed-Martin representatives, will generate detailed reports.

From all outward indications, the aircraft was involved with a training mission. Hardly classified.

RIP the souls on board.
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