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Old 01-27-2020, 05:40 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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I don't know the extent to which Kobe actually was a pilot or he had some training haven't found the answers. I did find where he said he would fly it to games which made him play better, but....
Everything I've read states that Bryant was a passenger when he flew.

 
Old 01-27-2020, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Southern Arizona
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Last radios from Kobe Bryant's helicopter to tower.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaIt...ature=youtu.be
 
Old 01-27-2020, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Good video of what it might have looked like from helicopter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkNCvSCKoyo
 
Old 01-27-2020, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Kurt Deetz was Kobe's pilot in the past. Something he says at 8:00 that the program at Island Express was a VFR program only. I suspect insurance could have required to be VFR flight only.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJNh-GDYN8c

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Old 01-27-2020, 08:02 PM
 
Location: West Phoenix
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Last radios from Kobe Bryant's helicopter to tower.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaIt...ature=youtu.be

All that was meant was he was too low for radar to pick him up for flight following, it was not a warning about terrain.
Flight following is a service that pilots can request, all the controller will do is advise them of traffic issues.
 
Old 01-27-2020, 08:23 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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Kobe Bryant’s final flight, minute by minute:
https://www.latimes.com/sports/liveb...h-in-calabasas
 
Old 01-27-2020, 09:07 PM
 
Location: SW Florida
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In listening to the recording, plus the case studies on the Air Safety Institute, I have a newfound amazement at the job that air traffic controllers do. They are communicating with multiple flights at the same time, talking with other towers, watching radar, and remaining calm throughout. I am amazed at the instantaneous handoffs between towers -- as soon as they say they're contacting the next tower, that ATC comes on the line. BTW, do the pilots hear better audio than what we hear on the recordings? Everything is all static and they talk so fast, I can barely make anything out.

That interview was interesting but painful, she just kept asking the same questions over and over. Even after he had said the pilot wasn't flying IFR multiple times, she asked if the pilot was flying IFR. BTW, that pilot sounded like he has a speech impediment, I couldn't understand a lot of what he was saying. Can't imagine him communicating with ATC.
 
Old 01-27-2020, 09:30 PM
 
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we hear what you hear, we don't have special radios that makes the audio sound better. One thing that does help is most pilots wear headsets, and some are noise cancelling that reduce the background noise .
 
Old 01-27-2020, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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In listening to the recording, plus the case studies on the Air Safety Institute, I have a newfound amazement at the job that air traffic controllers do. They are communicating with multiple flights at the same time, talking with other towers, watching radar, and remaining calm throughout. I am amazed at the instantaneous handoffs between towers -- as soon as they say they're contacting the next tower, that ATC comes on the line. BTW, do the pilots hear better audio than what we hear on the recordings? Everything is all static and they talk so fast, I can barely make anything out.

That interview was interesting but painful, she just kept asking the same questions over and over. Even after he had said the pilot wasn't flying IFR multiple times, she asked if the pilot was flying IFR. BTW, that pilot sounded like he has a speech impediment, I couldn't understand a lot of what he was saying. Can't imagine him communicating with ATC.
Those audio recordings are edited so your not hearing all the other chatter on the AOPA ASI YouTube channel. They get their recordings from the FAA or NTSB I'm sure. The idea of these videos to to hit home and get pilots to think about their decisions they make. It's one thing to kill yourself in an aircraft, but it's selfish to do it for a stupid reason all the family leave behind to suffer for years.

The ET reporter keeps trying to press the pilot to get his opinion he won't give it. The prior reports that Kobe was a pilot, or had some interest in flying sounds to be false. Kurt says he sat in the back behind a curtain and was just a passenger.
 
Old 01-28-2020, 01:45 AM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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The eyewitnesses seem to say the noise from the airborne helicopter was distressed and quite abnormal with sputtering, clanging, and quickly losing altitude. Tough to say since they could not clearly see it since it appeared to be turning and would have been very quick at that speed from low altitude to impact.

It is quite possible to have additive problems and little time / space for recourse. Hovering / slowing or gaining altitude might not have been an option if they had powersystem or mechanical problems.

sudden climb before sudden descent, something might have broken.
https://www.latimes.com/sports/liveb...nute-by-minute
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