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You are someone that believes in logical thinking and rational decision making. Not everyone is like that. Personally, I am a believer in letting the DATA help decide about what precautions you will take, like mask wearing.
Here in my state, I use the regional hospitalizations data to decide when to start wearing a mask again. (Case data is flawed, since it is surely under-reported given the home testing).
Right now in Ohio hospitalized patients with Covid have increased a bit from from their minimum back in April, but they are still 5X lower than the peak back in January. Once that ratio gets less attractive, say when we are 2X lower than that peak, I plan to go back to wearing a mask in public. Of course I'm fully vaxxed and boosted, and that's the main reason why hospitalizations remain so low.
I've always practiced common sense social distancing even before Covid, so that's not a problem. But on an aircraft that is impossible. Have not flown during Covid but plan to in the fall and I will probably wear a mask unless the transmission rate is really low.
Sadly, America is full of people who really don't give a damn about others. They sing a one note symphony constantly of "me, me, me".
IMO, the mask mandate should never have been lifted on airliners and public transport. Masking does a lot of good.....when people wear masks.
Last edited by markg91359; 08-04-2022 at 07:50 AM..
FYI, I've read all the posts in this thread. I was responding to your comment "I think we've reached a point in this pandemic whereby those who are immunocompromised have to take responsibility for their own life." And I stand by what I said earlier...the immunocompromised have been taking that responsibility since the beginning of the pandemic.
No, especially since the planes are now full of the unmasked. Nor have I gone anywhere except medical appts and the grocery store since this pandemic started. I have, however, had my medical care compromised by irresponsible, selfish, non-immunocompromised people overwhelming medical facilities. Your concept of who's irresponsible and who's not during this pandemic is mind-boggling. As I don't wish to derail this thread any further, this is my last post on this topic.
IMO, the mask mandate should never have been lifted on airliners and public transport.
IMO this is part of the problem. In this case - my "opinion" is just that - a subjective comment on what you said.
In your case, though - your "opinion" is less than meaningless. It might be harmful. There is data that either shows - or does not show - that masks on planes made any difference. There is no room - I mean ZERO - for "opinions" about it, yours, mine, or anyone else's. There is just the data - and that's it.
Since NO DATA ANYWHERE exists showing that planes were ever a main vector of transmission - and it can be shown, using 4th grade math, that mainly, folks are probably safer on the plane than on the ground (None of which is my "opinion" but facts of math and data) - then the ongoing "fuss" over airplane masks is just nonsense. Stop spreading this stuff.
I am not "anti-" mask or covid or whatever - I really am not. But I support what the data supports - and I strongly oppose viewpoints which contradict the data. You are (all) entitled to your viewpoint - and in nearly all other circumstances, your viewpoint (valid or not) is just another data point, having no real effect.
But with COVID - it's different. Ya never know who will read your "opinion" as fact, then spread those facts to someone else -and so on - and now we have 50% of a nation that thinks they are vaccine experts. It's downright harmful in some cases.
Masks - mainly - are to stop the ALREADY SICK person from spreading it to you. They (may) do a reduced amount to prevent you from catching it. But the main way to keep from catching it is - don't be near someone who has it.
Based on the cases, USA, and the number of flights and passengers - most planes statistically have ZERO contagious people on them. So - officially - masks on most planes are useless. Doing nothing.
For those planes WITH a sick person on them - would that person (Unmasked) - give it to more people in 2 hours on a plane - or in two hours on the ground? Lots of factors. Did they go to a school gymnasium or crowded restaurant? Are they sitting next to someone who ALREADY has it on the plane? Do they wear their mask at the theater? Is the person on the plane vaccinated? And so on.
The point is - it's not possible at the moment to show that masks on a plane make a difference in the big scheme of things. It may be that a contagious person spreads it to more people on the ground than in the air.
So - masks on planes? No data to support it (science) - logic that says it's, at best, The Same as The Ground (science) - and the active cases - most planes have no sick people on them (science). My opinion has not entered the conversation.
Neither should yours. But that's just my opinion. ;D
No, especially since the planes are now full of the unmasked. Nor have I gone anywhere except medical appts and the grocery store since this pandemic started. I have, however, had my medical care compromised by irresponsible, selfish, non-immunocompromised people overwhelming medical facilities. Your concept of who's irresponsible and who's not during this pandemic is mind-boggling. As I don't wish to derail this thread any further, this is my last post on this topic.
Well I think your focus on me specifically and in the context of what I was writing isn't warranted. I was really referring to individuals who are in a compromised state, flying and exposing themselves to the process. You seem to take more personal responsibility for your own health than the example earlier cited. I actually agree with you regarding individuals and lack of personally responsibility for society as a whole, by not getting vaccinated but that is another thread agreed but your comments are well noted and accepted. That all said, if you want to create a thread on the topic i'll be happy to engage in it.
If I upset you personally, that was not my intent but I do apologize as it seems I did upset you.
As long as the airline runs its planes, they have a right to mandate wearing masks, even if the government says there is no need for it...
No airline will do this to them because they will lose a lot of business. See what happened after so many governments lifted the masks on planes last spring? Air travel exploded and has far more demand than one could have imagined.
No airline will do this to them because they will lose a lot of business. See what happened after so many governments lifted the masks on planes last spring? Air travel exploded and has far more demand than one could have imagined.
The explosion in air travel had nothing to do with removing the masking requirement.
It had to do with much lower restrictions on the testing of Covid and the vaccination mandate being dropped.
And plus the newer strains of Covid was consistently milder and of course it's Spring, so Covid numbers generally dropped.
Sadly, America is full of people who really don't give a damn about others. They sing a one note symphony constantly of "me, me, me".
IMO, the mask mandate should never have been lifted on airliners and public transport. Masking does a lot of good.....when people wear masks.
Nobody can stop you from keep wearing it. And it's not only America. Look at most of Europe - same story. People want to live their lives after 2.5 years of misery. The demand for air travel shows this.
Nobody can stop you from keep wearing it. And it's not only America. Look at most of Europe - same story. People want to live their lives after 2.5 years of misery. The demand for air travel shows this.
They can live it and wear a mask both during the limited time spent on a plane flying.
They can live it and wear a mask both during the limited time spent on a plane flying.
That is your opinion.
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