Where are the black gentrifiers? (Baltimore, College Park: apartment complex, school, living)

[green_mariner]

Originally Posted by redd1skng

I typed a somewhat lengthy response then came back to this. It seems there's alot about the dynamics of blacks in Baltimore you're not familiar with. Many middle class blacks fled the city for Baltimore county years ago and continue to do so.

Blacks feeling unwanted or unwelcomed...
Not sure where you're getting that from but, really, where are blacks wanted?

Hardworking and talented seeking greener pastures...
I know a few who've moved to Atlanta and they're not all from the educated or hardworking type, lol. On another msg board I'm reading some talk about how easy it was to transfer their section 8 vouchers. My point is there's a whole lot of mixture migrating down there.

I agree with retaining a certain type but crime will chase people away.

I'm aware that many middle class Blacks fled Baltimore a long time ago. My theory is this. One mentions that there aren't many Black gentrifiers. That was merely a theory of mind.

I know crime will chase people away. That has been proven. I also noticed alot of complaining about the Black population. If this is going on, it leaves more to wonder about racial tensions.

[Mutiny77]

Originally Posted by redd1skng

I agree. While AA wealth, home and business ownership is greater, their ghettos are worse or at least equal to Baltimore. Gangs are also growing in Atlanta.

I'd disagree; while Atlanta's hoods are pretty blighted and bad, especially by Southern standards, I don't think it touches the urban decay and crime of inner city Baltimore. However, it's quite possible that Baltimore's hoods may be in a better position to undergo gentrification than Atlanta's, mainly because the infrastructure is a little better, they have the urban bones in place, and rowhouses seem to be more appealing to gentrifiers than SFR. This is something I was discussing with someone else today in the city vs city forum with respect to Atlanta and DC. And I think it's inevitable that with all the wealth surrounding Baltimore proper and the success of the Inner Harbor and some core neighborhoods that it is only inevitable that gentrification begins spreading out a bit.

[green_mariner]

Originally Posted by Mutiny77

I'd disagree; while Atlanta's hoods are pretty blighted and bad, especially by Southern standards, I don't think it touches the urban decay and crime of inner city Baltimore. However, it's quite possible that Baltimore's hoods may be in a better position to undergo gentrification than Atlanta's, mainly because the infrastructure is a little better, they have the urban bones in place, and rowhouses seem to be more appealing to gentrifiers than SFR. This is something I was discussing with someone else today in the city vs city forum with respect to Atlanta and DC. And I think it's inevitable that with all the wealth surrounding Baltimore proper and the success of the Inner Harbor and some core neighborhoods that it is only inevitable that gentrification begins spreading out a bit.

Gentrification has been going on in Atlanta for quite some time.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gent...ion_of_Atlanta

[Mutiny77]

Originally Posted by green_mariner

One thing to think about. This is not for me, but to getting other people to think about this. Why do some people with decent means buy homes or rent in areas that are potentially dangerous in terms of violent crime?

Because they are bargains and have convenient locations within the city.

[Mutiny77]

Originally Posted by green_mariner

Gentrification has been going on in Atlanta for quite some time.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gent...ion_of_Atlanta

Yes it has been, but I'm referring to the worst of Atlanta's hoods: Bankhead, Vine City, the Bluff, etc. and the worst of Baltimore's. The final frontier of gentrification, if you will.

[Mutiny77]

Here are two articles that basically answer the question:

Why So Many Millennials of Color Can’t Accumulate Wealth - NationalJournal
In Big Cities the White Millennial Population is Growing - NationalJournal

[redd1skng]

Originally Posted by green_mariner

I'm aware that many middle class Blacks fled Baltimore a long time ago. My theory is this. One mentions that there aren't many Black gentrifiers. That was merely a theory of mind.

I know crime will chase people away. That has been proven. I also noticed alot of complaining about the Black population. If this is going on, it leaves more to wonder about racial tensions.

Yes, there's racial tension. Racial tension is everywhere. What's there to wonder? Do you think blacks are leaving Baltimore because of racial tension? Racial tension has been here forever.

Again, crime, crime, crime is a serious problem in Baltimore; especially black neighborhoods.

[seanlax]

Originally Posted by green_mariner

potentially dangerous

Some people see this phrase differently than you. Also, living in the suburbs is just a deadly (actually deadlier), except that you probably aren't going to get killed from a bullet. It's going to be a car accident that will get you.

You are more likely to be killed/injured in a car accident living in a suburban community than you are to be killed/injured in a violent crime in an urban area. There's a fair bit of research on it (I know because I've done some of it) and it's really interesting. If someone really wants I can link them to the papers, but I think you need a subscription to Academic Search Premier or something of the sort.

Making the argument against living in an unsafe area in respect to personal property is a fine argument to make. But as far as how dangerous it is to you personally, that is not necessarily as cut and dry as you may wish.

Now if you really want to live in a ultra-safe bubble, you could always barricade yourself in a rural area and not drive anywhere. Any takers?

[redd1skng]

Originally Posted by Mutiny77

Yes it has been, but I'm referring to the worst of Atlanta's hoods: Bankhead, Vine City, the Bluff, etc. and the worst of Baltimore's. The final frontier of gentrification, if you will.

Thank you for the stats. Will read through them. Can we all agree gangs, crime, inferior schools/education, corrupt (black) politicians, job opportunities all have contributed to black neighborhood decay, black migration and gentrification?

[UserName14289]

Originally Posted by Mutiny77

Because they are bargains and have convenient locations within the city.

Agree. If I weren't a single mom in need of a safe place for my son, I would have done this exact thing, to be close to jobs, yet beef up my savings by not blowing all my money on real estate. This isn't exclusively a black thing, as I'm a white woman.