Grant Hill, Is he a Hall of Famer? (coaches, playoff, olympic)
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Where does the line get crossed? Grant hill was a star, put up some numbers for a few years, but in the end never accomished anything. Horry wasn't just a bench rider on any of his championship teams, he was never the star BUT he was ALWAYS a huge part of every team. I would venture to say several of those arguably may never have won a title including my spurs in 2005.
Grant Hill is considered in many circles as one of the great college basketball players of all-time. He will make it into the HOF on his college resume more so than his NBA career, which was leaps and bounds better than most NBA players, by the way.
Robert Horry was just role player on multiple of championship teams. A good role player who made timely jumpers in postseason games, but a nondescript player otherwise. Never made an all-star team or any of the NBA All-Whatever-Teams after his rookie year.
If Horry gets in, then Kerr gotta get in, too. I don't think we want play that game.
Grant Hill is considered in many circles as one of the great college basketball players of all-time. He will make it into the HOF on his college resume more so than his NBA career, which was leaps and bounds better than most NBA players, by the way.
Robert Horry was just role player on multiple of championship teams. A good role player who made timely jumpers in postseason games, but a nondescript player otherwise. Never made an all-star team or any of the NBA All-Whatever-Teams after his rookie year.
If Horry gets in, then Kerr gotta get in, too. I don't think we want play that game.
So hill was a great college player who will get in on his college play? That's an interesting argument considering so many people have argued that Manu isn't HOF worthy. Manus euro career is greater then hills college career.
I also find it interesting as to how everyone keeps talking about how great his collegiate game was, he wasn't even the best player on the floor in their 2 national championships. Laettner was really, and even Bobby Hurley was picked as most outstanding player of the tournament the 92 season.
If hill makes it in, Robert horry better get in too.
I'm sorry I think you made some good points, but this point is nonsense.
There is no comparison between Robert Horry's career and Grant Hill's career. Yes Robert Horry won championships, yes he played important roles on those teams, but you can argue down a long line of players over the years who have been great role players for mulitple championships teams, but that isn't the merit of what a hall of fame player is. If that was the case, people like Charles Barkley or John Stockton shouldn't be in based on the fact that they didn't win a championship. The truth is Robert Horry had a number of regular seasons that he was ineffective or injured. The most points he's ever averaged was 12 a game for a season, and outside of his championships the only accomplishment that he made was being a member of the all-Rookie 2nd team for 1993.
You compare that to Grant Hill who was a 7 time all star, co-Rookie of the Year, a Gold Medalist in the Olympics, and named to one First team and multiple All-NBA second teams. To say that there is no comparison between the careers of Grant Hill and Robert Horry would be a colossal understatement. I think Grant Hill hall of fame credentials are debatable, but man Robert Horry is not on the same level.
And by the way, Grant Hill career numbers (16.7 PPG, 6.0 RPG, 4.1 APG) are very similar to Scottie Pippen (16.1 PPG, 6.4 RPG, 5.2 APG), and considering that Grant Hill wasn't teammates in his prime with a top 50 NBA player (really the greatest ever) like Pippen was, should the lack of championships be held against Hill?
So hill was a great college player who will get in on his college play? That's an interesting argument considering so many people have argued that Manu isn't HOF worthy. Manus euro career is greater then hills college career.
Hill is IMO NOT HOF worthy, college or not!
The basketball hall of fame is not an NBA hall of fame. Many people are in the basketball hall of fame based only on what they did in college.
No he doesn't get in. Even if you add in his college career, it isn't worthy for the Basketball hall of fame. As someone posted above, even the two national championship teams were more Christian Laettner and Bobby Hurley than Hill. He didn't win one without them. And in the NBA, he was an all star with the Pistons, but he wasn't great. He was a very good player, but very good shouldn't be in the hall of fame. No MVP's, no scoring titles, yeah he made some all star teams, but so did Penny Hardaway, and we all know those votes are more popularity contests than anything. From a professional stand point his two biggest accomplishments were winning co rookie of the year with Jason Kidd and playing on the 1996 Olyimpic gold medal team. Don't think that puts him in the hall of fame.
No he doesn't get in. Even if you add in his college career, it isn't worthy for the Basketball hall of fame. As someone posted above, even the two national championship teams were more Christian Laettner and Bobby Hurley than Hill. He didn't win one without them. And in the NBA, he was an all star with the Pistons, but he wasn't great. He was a very good player, but very good shouldn't be in the hall of fame. No MVP's, no scoring titles, yeah he made some all star teams, but so did Penny Hardaway, and we all know those votes are more popularity contests than anything. From a professional stand point his two biggest accomplishments were winning co rookie of the year with Jason Kidd and playing on the 1996 Olyimpic gold medal team. Don't think that puts him in the hall of fame.
When he was with the Pistons, he was great. After those years, he was not. His last year in Detroit he averaged 25.8 ppg, 6.6 RPG, and 6.3 APG while shooting 49% from the Field. If he had stayed healthy and played like he did in Detroit, he would be a shoe in for the Hall of Fame. I don't think many people would agree with your assessment of his Detroit years.
I'm sorry I think you made some good points, but this point is nonsense.
There is no comparison between Robert Horry's career and Grant Hill's career. Yes Robert Horry won championships, yes he played important roles on those teams, but you can argue down a long line of players over the years who have been great role players for mulitple championships teams, but that isn't the merit of what a hall of fame player is. If that was the case, people like Charles Barkley or John Stockton shouldn't be in based on the fact that they didn't win a championship. The truth is Robert Horry had a number of regular seasons that he was ineffective or injured. The most points he's ever averaged was 12 a game for a season, and outside of his championships the only accomplishment that he made was being a member of the all-Rookie 2nd team for 1993.
You compare that to Grant Hill who was a 7 time all star, co-Rookie of the Year, a Gold Medalist in the Olympics, and named to one First team and multiple All-NBA second teams. To say that there is no comparison between the careers of Grant Hill and Robert Horry would be a colossal understatement. I think Grant Hill hall of fame credentials are debatable, but man Robert Horry is not on the same level.
And by the way, Grant Hill career numbers (16.7 PPG, 6.0 RPG, 4.1 APG) are very similar to Scottie Pippen (16.1 PPG, 6.4 RPG, 5.2 APG), and considering that Grant Hill wasn't teammates in his prime with a top 50 NBA player (really the greatest ever) like Pippen was, should the lack of championships be held against Hill?
but grant hill played with mcgrady in/near his prime (pre-back injury tracy), joe dumars, allen houston, DWIGHT HOWARD? in all of his career, hill only made it to the playoffs 8 seasons including this one were he played 1 game for the clippers in the post season. he only ever made it out of the 1st round 1 time (2009-10) and if you take that season away he has averaged just slightly over 3 games per season. back then the 1st round was best of 5. he was not as good as mcgrady, ever, and i wouldnt expect tracy to get in if he hadnt won some scoring titles. putting up numbers for 5 years and winning 2 national championships when you are not even the best player on the team IS NOT a HOF career.
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Originally Posted by Toxic Toast
The basketball hall of fame is not an NBA hall of fame. Many people are in the basketball hall of fame based only on what they did in college.
yes we all realize this, thanks for pointing it out again. point is, the COMBINATION of his nba AND college careers doesnt make it. there are plenty of guys out there who have put up great numbers for a couple seasons, just doesnt make them HOF material. the HOF is SUPPOSED to be for the best the game has had, not every joe blow who put up some decent numbers for a couple of years.
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