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Old 10-14-2014, 06:08 PM
 
Location: not sure, but there's a hell of a lot of water around here!
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We'll be visiting for two months, but not a Costco member.
Isn't that against some kind of law back in the States?


'License, registration, proof of insurance, Costco membership card'



Yes, I'm fairly certain it is
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Old 10-14-2014, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Portland
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Call and ask them about joining via American Express's cash back card. When we joined they gave us a $40. gift card when applying there in the store.(They approve you in minutes)

We get 100's of dollars cash back every year without buying anything we wouldn't ordinarily buy.

https://www304.americanexpress.com/c...erican-express
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Old 10-14-2014, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Kūkiʻo, HI & Manhattan Beach, CA
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Depends on which area of the island you're at, Jonah. We really don't want big box stores in our area. I wish there was some way we could make them illegal.
Unfortunately, while the County of Hawaiʻi can outlaw "big box" stores, they have little jurisdiction over what can be built on Hawaiian Home Lands. For instance, Hilo's Prince Kūhiō Plaza, Wal-Mart, Target, Home Depot, Safeway, and dozens of other retail establishments that opened in the last few decades are all located on Hawaiian Home Lands. Folks that are "anti-growth" often fail to realize how active the DHHL's "Land Management Division" actually is when it comes to promoting commercial leases.
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Old 10-14-2014, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Kūkiʻo, HI & Manhattan Beach, CA
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Call and ask them about joining via American Express's cash back card. When we joined they gave us a $40. gift card when applying there in the store.(They approve you in minutes)

We get 100's of dollars cash back every year without buying anything we wouldn't ordinarily buy.

https://www304.americanexpress.com/c...erican-express
For folks that are already Costco members, the AMEX "cash back" card isn't too bad of a deal provided you don't carry a balance on it. However, in the "Terms, Conditions & Disclosures" for that particular card, AMEX points out that "your Costco membership fee will be charged to your American Express® Card on the first day of your renewal month."
Terms, Conditions & Disclosures
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Old 10-14-2014, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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Unfortunately, while the County of Hawaiʻi can outlaw "big box" stores, they have little jurisdiction over what can be built on Hawaiian Home Lands. For instance, Hilo's Prince Kūhiō Plaza, Wal-Mart, Target, Home Depot, Safeway, and dozens of other retail establishments that opened in the last few decades are all located on Hawaiian Home Lands. Folks that are "anti-growth" often fail to realize how active the DHHL's "Land Management Division" actually is when it comes to promoting commercial leases.
Excellent point - and the same is true on Oahu, for all the anti-growth rhetoric, much of that growth is not on land the state controls.

There is a battle brewing on Oahu about high-rises they want to build and the state is crying foul over the transfer terms. I suspect they (OHA) will ultimately succeed.

Lawmakers reject OHA's bid for Kakaako towers - Hawaii News - Honolulu Star-Advertiser
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Old 10-14-2014, 07:05 PM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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Unfortunately, while the County of Hawaiʻi can outlaw "big box" stores, they have little jurisdiction over what can be built on Hawaiian Home Lands. For instance, Hilo's Prince Kūhiō Plaza, Wal-Mart, Target, Home Depot, Safeway, and dozens of other retail establishments that opened in the last few decades are all located on Hawaiian Home Lands. Folks that are "anti-growth" often fail to realize how active the DHHL's "Land Management Division" actually is when it comes to promoting commercial leases.
Its no different from most of the Native American rich tribal leaders who support casinos and oil money but let there own people live in abject poverty.

We call them city indians, native american by blood but white westerner in every other aspect.
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Old 10-14-2014, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Portland
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For folks that are already Costco members, the AMEX "cash back" card isn't too bad of a deal provided you don't carry a balance on it. However, in the "Terms, Conditions & Disclosures" for that particular card, AMEX points out that "your Costco membership fee will be charged to your American Express® Card on the first day of your renewal month."
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Yes, but there is no cost for using Amex. (0 balance of course)
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Old 10-14-2014, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Moku Nui, Hawaii
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Unfortunately, while the County of Hawaiʻi can outlaw "big box" stores, they have little jurisdiction over what can be built on Hawaiian Home Lands. For instance, Hilo's Prince Kūhiō Plaza, Wal-Mart, Target, Home Depot, Safeway, and dozens of other retail establishments that opened in the last few decades are all located on Hawaiian Home Lands. Folks that are "anti-growth" often fail to realize how active the DHHL's "Land Management Division" actually is when it comes to promoting commercial leases.
I'm not "anti-growth" I'm anti-non-local. Every time some one buys something made in China from a big box store - I don't care what name it is, then that money not only goes out of Hawaii, but goes out of the U.S. as well. When I buy something made or grown in Hawaii, sold by someone who lives in Hawaii and owns the business, then that money stays around here and circulates around enriching everyone here. Vera of Vera's Treasures (a small store here in town) buys stuff at a local estate sale. Those folks now have money. I buy a $20 knick knack from Vera's Treasures, she now has $20. Her neighbor kid mows her lawn, then the kid has the $20. He goes to Tex Drive Inn for some malasadas, they have the $20. They go to Malama Market and buy ingredients, now Malama market has the $20 and I don't know where it goes from there, but they do have local employees, perhaps some of it gets paid to them and then the $20 continues to circle.

If you grow or make something, especially something to be sold to someone not from around here such as a tourist, then it brings money into Hawaii. If you buy something made elsewhere, then that's money that leaves Hawaii. The idea is to get more money coming in than going out.
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Old 10-15-2014, 06:40 AM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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@hotzcatz

You know most of the so called anti-growth people also want to keep things local. Because the more big box stores and housing focused on the foriegn market also goes out of Hawaii and also changes our way of life in Hawaii. Just take a look at oahu if you have any roots. Also im not so much anti growth either as much as i believe growth needs to be balanced with good planning for the future and balanced with proper timing etc as to preserve the Hawaii way of life etc.
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Old 10-15-2014, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Kahala
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If you buy something made elsewhere, then that's money that leaves Hawaii. The idea is to get more money coming in than going out.
While I can appreciate the argument you make in principle, the vast majority of people in Hawaii don't have the stomach for local only high prices. I don't go to Walmart not because I have some beef with Walmart - they are jammed pack seemingly 24 hours a day, parking is a nightmare, it literally just isn't an enjoyable experience unless you love to shop and you don't like wall to wall crowds.

Anyway, the argument about buying something made elsewhere is economically very highly flawed. Lets take something less controversial - like a TV. Regardless of the store you go to go, buying a Samsung TV does not mean those $$$'s walk out of the door, head to the new airport, and take the first flight to Korea.
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