American Indian/Hawaiin Culture (Hilo: 2014, construction, living)

[Jungjohann]

Originally Posted by Jonah K

As a Native Hawaiian, I feel more kinship with other Pacific Islanders (i.e. Polynesians, Micronesians, and Melanesians), Australian aborigines, Okinawans, and other indigenous peoples from Asia and Southeast Asia, than I do with most American Indians.

So, I would take that to indicate that you are more inclined to identify with the 'ai kanaka maoli?


Food for thought

[Jonah K]

Originally Posted by Jungjohann

So, I would take that to indicate that you are more inclined to identify with the 'ai kanaka maoli?


Food for thought

ʻInamona (kukui nut relish) was in Hawaiʻi long before A1 goes well with puaʻa loa (long pig).

[McFrostyJ]

Originally Posted by Jonah K

Look at the second portion of the definition for "indigenous" that you provided that says "native."

native |ˈnātiv|
noun
a person born in a specified place or associated with a place by birth.

So then using the definition of native, anyone born in Hawaii would then be indigenous to Hawaii.

Originally Posted by Jonah K

Most anthropologists believe that all homo sapiens originally came from Africa; however, everyone doesn't consider themselves to be "African."

It would seem then that we can each choose what we consider ourselves to be?

Originally Posted by Jonah K

Modern-day Native Hawaiians are the direct descendants of the first humans to occupy the islands; hence, they get to be considered "indigenous."

Is that really true? Weren't the first people to get to Hawaii from Marquesas and then they were conquered by the Tahitians which came later?

Originally Posted by Jonah K

Nope. If none of their ancestors arrived before the "cut-off" date (i.e. January 18, 1778), they can't be considered "indigenous" to Hawaiʻi, despite being born here.

Why? Who made up this rule and what is it based on?




While I do find this all extremely interesting, it does seem silly to me how humans still have a tribe mentality after all these years. For some reason we love to divide ourselves into groups. Democrats vs Republicans. Christians vs Muslims. Oregonians vs Californians. Yankees Fans vs Red Sox Fans. etc... etc... etc...

We love to make up funny rules that help us divide ourselves. The questions is, why? Why must we divide ourselves? The bottom line is we all come from the same place, Earth.
At least I think we do.
Maybe I'm wrong on that.
Anyone here from Mars?

[whtviper1]

Originally Posted by McFrostyJ

While I do find this all extremely interesting, it does seem silly to me how humans still have a tribe mentality after all these years. For some reason we love to divide ourselves into groups. Democrats vs Republicans. Christians vs Muslims. Oregonians vs Californians. Yankees Fans vs Red Sox Fans. etc... etc... etc...

I agree. I've never understood the sense of entitlement just because parents or ancestors were born somewhere. As the world continues to be more global it will eventually end.

[OpenD]

Go far enough back and everybody's roots are in Africa. All the "native" people everywhere in the world are originally from Africa, if you go far enough back. As matter of fact, some genetic scientists believe that everyone alive today is a descendant of a small group of perhaps 200 individuals in Africa a million years ago. We're something like 99.1% alike genetically.

So all the people who came to Hawai'i from the Marquesas, their ancestors originally came from Africa via Asia. And the second wave from Tahiti, the same. Different blood lines, until you trace it far enough back. Native Americans? Their people came from Africa via northern Asia, in two distinct waves, thousand of years apart. The Inuits and other natives of the arctic, similar but different story. Even the aborigines of Australia can be traced by genetic back to Africa via Asia, before the Australian land mass divided from the main continent.

So when you say any people are native to any part of the world, it's only true since a specific point in time, when their ancestors first arrived. We're all related, so we all ought to learn to get along

So back to the OP's question, kanaka maoli (native Hawaiian people) and so-called Native Americans aren't related, except in the sense that we are all related.

[838454]

I didn't bring up related. it was "Has anyone noticed the similarities between the native American Indian and Hawaiian cultures?"

Sorry I don't know how to highlight quotes of others in blue box's.

HBH had

Cooperation w/ Nature
Religion- Way of life
Extended Family
Belief In The Unseen
Respect For Tradition

These were obvious to me about that was about all I was aware of. I find it very intriguing all the others he quoted

Cooperation
Group Emphasis
Generosity or Aloha spirit
Non-Materialism
Work To Meet Need
Passivity
Time-Always With Us
Orientation To Present
Religion- Way of life
Indirect Criticism
Cultural Pluralist
Respect For Age

The real head scratcher is " Its believed now that ancient hawaiians traveled to turtle island(america) and ended up mingling with native american tribes."

"There are also tons of similarities in the spiritual beliefs too."

How can there be so many similarities between the two cultures? those can't be random acts of chance, coincidence?
I'm not a big believer of coincidences.

[whtviper1]

Originally Posted by 838454

These were obvious to me about that was about all I was aware of. I find it very intriguing all the others he quoted


How can there be so many similarities between the two cultures? those can't be random acts of chance, coincidence?
I'm not a big believer of coincidences.

Yes, a bunch of things quoted without any source material.

You could have said the same things had you asked, Are Native Hawaiians and <Insert ancient group here> Where ancient group could be Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, or Japanese, and on and on.

If Native Hawaiians had Teepees and Totum Poles I think you'd be on to something.

[Jonah K]

Originally Posted by McFrostyJ

While I do find this all extremely interesting, it does seem silly to me how humans still have a tribe mentality after all these years. For some reason we love to divide ourselves into groups. Democrats vs Republicans. Christians vs Muslims. Oregonians vs Californians. Yankees Fans vs Red Sox Fans. etc... etc... etc...

We love to make up funny rules that help us divide ourselves. The questions is, why? Why must we divide ourselves? The bottom line is we all come from the same place, Earth.

I guess that it all boils down to the "animal nature" of human beings and competition over seemingly limited resources. When folks discuss the "traditional values" of Native Hawaiians, they conveniently leave out that the fact that "warfare" was one of them. When James Cook and his crew arrived in Hawaiʻi on January 18, 1778, Hawaiians were at war with each other. In many respects, the Hawaiian "wars of unification" never ended. However, the "battlefield" has simply shifted to various boardrooms, courts, classrooms, and other venues.

[Jonah K]

Originally Posted by 838454

How can there be so many similarities between the two cultures? those can't be random acts of chance, coincidence?
I'm not a big believer of coincidences.

As I mentioned in a previous post, there are over 560 different American Indian tribes. Many of these tribes have different languages, customs, histories, and cultures. For instance, while Iroquois and Comanche are both considered to be "American Indians," they are about as similar to each other as Swedes are to Italians. The main similarity between "American Indians" and "Native Hawaiians" is that both groups happen to be "American-subjugated natives." While there may be a few isolated instances of Native Hawaiians traveling to what is now the West Coast of the continental United States and interbreeding with some of the local American Indian tribes (e.g. the Shingle Springs Band of Miwok Indians), the cultures weren't that similar.

[838454]

Whtviper1, Yes I was obviously assuming the material was correct from HBH "Yes, a bunch of things quoted without any source material."