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Old 03-13-2011, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Originally Posted by sleepless in Bham View Post


For one Montgomery doesnt have 31 other suburbs surrounding it, making annexation much easier for them, than it would be for Birmingham. Most suburbs are fuctionally ill-relevant, and they think they are top s**t when the reality is that they are only standing in the way of progress in the area.
What is the square mileage of Birmingham and Montgomery?

Birmingham at least needs to figure out how to stem the population loss even if it is boxed in. Atlanta has done it and so has other cities.

 
Old 03-13-2011, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Metro Birmingham, AL
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What is the square mileage of Birmingham and Montgomery?

Birmingham at least needs to figure out how to stem the population loss even if it is boxed in. Atlanta has done it and so has other cities.
Birmingham 152 sq. miles
Montgomery 156 sq. miles

IF Bham can get it school issues turned around, create a more pro business atmosphere by getting rid of government red tape and the occupation tax, create better public/private partnerships, having a functioning mass transit system, and last but not least better, forward thinking leadership. If all these things can happen, that should stop the population bleeding, and gains could be made.

Montgomery is not a better city/metro in any way, but they are able to annex with very little to no opposition.
 
Old 03-13-2011, 05:41 PM
 
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Birmingham will never be in the same league as Atlanta, or even Charlotte or Nashville.
 
Old 03-13-2011, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Metro Birmingham, AL
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Birmingham will never be in the same league as Atlanta, or even Charlotte or Nashville.


For the 50th time...WE KNOW BIRMINGHAM WILL PROBABLY NEVER BE IN THE SAME LEAGUE AS ATLANTA.

Birmingham could possibly be in same league as Charlotte and Nashville. It will take alot of work, but it would be worth it.
 
Old 03-13-2011, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Savannah GA
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Well Birmingham proper would be very wise to strive to become and follow the direction of the city of Atlanta proper over the past 10 years. While Birmingham lost record numbers of people, the City of Atlanta added 140,000 -- and mostly white and affluent to boot! All this, with a land area smaller and already far denser than Birmingham. So keep bashing all you want on Atlanta to try to make excuses for how and why Birmingham can't or won't or shouldn't grow, but the bottom line is: Atlanta is doing a lot of things RIGHT and Birmingham continues to do an awful lot of things WRONG!
 
Old 03-13-2011, 09:51 PM
 
Location: Metro Birmingham, AL
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Well Birmingham proper would be very wise to strive to become and follow the direction of the city of Atlanta proper over the past 10 years. While Birmingham lost record numbers of people, the City of Atlanta added 140,000 -- and mostly white and affluent to boot! All this, with a land area smaller and already far denser than Birmingham. So keep bashing all you want on Atlanta to try to make excuses for how and why Birmingham can't or won't or shouldn't grow, but the bottom line is: Atlanta is doing a lot of things RIGHT and Birmingham continues to do an awful lot of things WRONG!
Care to give some examples?

And who is bashing Atlanta?.

BTW, your right we need to stop with the pathetic excuses of why Birmingham city is losing population and why the metro is not growing at a better rate. At the same time Atlanta and Birmingham are two different metro areas with populations that are on different mindsets when it comes to economic and population growth and development.

While Birmingham city could learn somethings from ITP Atlanta, there is no reason to become a copy cat model.
 
Old 03-13-2011, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Savannah GA
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1. Atlanta demolished all of its housing projects and replaced them with mixed-use, mixed-income developments funded by public-private partnerships. There are NO (zero) housing projects left anywhere in the city of Atlanta, except maybe for some high-rises for the aged and I'm not sure about even that.
2. Atlanta completely rewrote its zoning code, allowing for residential and commercial uses in areas of the city that had been exclusively zoned for industrial uses. In doing so, the urban fabric of the entire city was reborn. It was this redesignation of blighted and abandoned "brownfield" districts for live, work and play uses that have transformed Atlanta and made it the NATIONAL LEADER FOR SMART-GROWTH INITIATIVES. Atlantic Station is, of course, the most visible and famous of these new developments in Atlanta, but it is one of just dozens.
3. Atlanta Public Schools, while currently embroiled in a cheating scandal, have nonetheless been a national leader at employing innovative techniques and establishing new programs to attract and keep promising students. It helps that so many of the young affluent families moving into the city are choosing to enroll their children, and become advocates for, the public schools. Just as the population as a whole is growing "whiter," enrollment in APS is becoming more diverse -- black, white, Asian and Hispanic. APS has also invested millions in capital i improvements -- the facilities are outstanding!

Further, despite the constant lament about Atlanta's "sprawl" there has been tremendous progress toward making suburbs more dense and livable in recent years. The Atlanta Regional Commission, the planning agency for the 10-county metro area, has a program called LIVING CITIES INITIATIVE that has led to the creation of these same live-work-play developments in the old commercial hearts of many of the once-rural suburban towns around Atlanta. You will find mid-rise, high-density "TOWN CENTER" developments with ground-level office and retail topped by lofts and apartments, in places like Smyrna, Woodstock, Suwanee, Duluth, Alpharetta, Buford, Decatur, McDonough, Douglasville -- places that previously had no urban or "town center" at all!

ATLANTIC STATION, Midtown Atlanta:


TOWN BROOKHAVEN (North Buckhead)


LINDBERGH CITY CENTER (South Buckhead)
http://www.carterusa.com/uploads/photos/2009/07/2009070822142479/Lindbergh-City-Center.jpg (broken link)


SMYRNA TOWN CENTER (Cobb County):


SUWANEE TOWN CENTER (Gwinnett County):


DOWNTOWN WOODSTOCK (Cherokee County):

Last edited by Newsboy; 03-13-2011 at 11:10 PM..
 
Old 03-13-2011, 11:37 PM
 
Location: Metro Birmingham, AL
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^^^That is all very nice, and I my tip my hat to the Atlanta metro area for making those achievements and many more, but what works in the ATL, doesnt mean it will work here in Bham. Alot of people here dont want to be anything like Atlanta, and while they are entitled to that opinion, the facts are that Atlanta is a model of growth and prosperity in the late 20th and early 21st century.

I get a sense that people in Bham feel like they would lose something if the area grew at a very high percentage rate. People here like having the small town, southern charm while live in a decent size metro of over a million. To them Atlanta is a spawling mess, with horrible traffic, rude transplants, and it has lost it identity. While that may not be the case in reality, people fear what they do not understand.
 
Old 03-14-2011, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Birmingham
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Birmingham will never be in the same league as Atlanta, or even Charlotte or Nashville.
Hey thanks for stopping by.

Are you from Nashville? Because you seem to a bit optimistic in putting them in the same "out of reach" status as those other two. There ain't much difference between Birmingham and Nashville right now.

The name of this thread is dumb because there won't be another Atlanta. There's no general defining characteristics that anyone has come up with to specfically talk about and there are too many specific characteristics that make any city like a fingerprint or DNA sample. All it does is serve as a troll magnet for know it alls to come in with silly assertions and snide remarks.
 
Old 03-14-2011, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Mobile,Al(the city by the bay)
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I`ve been reading about all of this poo nanny about Atlanta which is nice...I just want to be educated on the prosperity of the other Georgian cities !? How fast are they growing ? What are the GDPs of those cities.Do they have decent skylines ? Are they appealing to outsiders ?


I can`t for the love of God think of any city outside of Atlanta than can rival Birmingham if so somebody school me please.


When I was living in Huntsville I use to travel to Nashville often and the two are the same in size to me...

B-ham has issues but the thread should be about ideas for progression not bashing...How the hell could anyone decide the fate of a city and say city A will never be like city B and C ? Anything can happen a city could have been a booming city last decade and by 2020 it could encounter a season of collapse.
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