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Old 04-27-2022, 05:00 PM
 
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Towns are already designed around the car. Shoehorning apartment buildings into areas that were built for single family housing does not lead to healthier lifestyles or a good environment effect. These areas will not be "walkable" the way an urban neighborhood will, and the increased density will mean heavier traffic, more pollution, etc. There is the textbook effect and the real life effect, and most of the time, they are two different things.
+1. Not everyone will be able to live in same nice towns which is why we need to spread out...not add more housing in the already nice towns because then they wont be as nice. That's about as simple as i can put it.

When i lived in roslindale people there and in HP would always complain anytime a new building site for apts was proposed. People would moan and groan about traffic.

this is why I have kept saying to make Worcester a nice placer to live so people will go there. If people can't find what they want around here they will have to leave.
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Old 04-27-2022, 05:40 PM
 
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Well duh. of course it’s selfish first and foremost. But it’s obviously racist. And probably a little prejudiced. It’s peak systemic racism. It’s basically straight out of the dictionary as an example.

A group of mostly white people has assets and privileges and simply doesn’t want to share them with new comers who will undoubtedly be less white than the current group. They won’t be displaced or anything they just don’t want to accommodate anyone who’s not already there and thinks like them. So they enact a legal defense hum and haw and complain and cry to stop other from securing home and a wealth building machine. All so that they can further their wealth gap more and maintain they’re “neighborhood character” If that’s not racist what is?

White entitlement and privileges isn’t some obscure difficult thing to see. It’s very very clear to most people around the world. Upper Middle Class white people often think they should be allowed to dictate whatever goes on in their town. Issue is individual white homeowners shouldn’t get to dictate what gets built in their town, there should actually be planning professionals on a county level or municipal level who plan regionally. Not local jokers in over their heads and possessing myopic viewpoints of development. This sort of thing really isn’t an issue to this extent anywhere else in the world beside white areas of the US and maybe Canada?

The prejudice comes from what WestieWhite is saying. Believing moderate income and people of color will ruin your town. Sometimes I wonder what it was like for you growing up did you just never learn anything about what racism is? How do you not know what it is? WW grew up here probably so really hasn’t seen what a diverse suburban community looks like save for like Milton.
This attitude is the problem with America today. These Marxists operators have to make everything a racial struggle and propose as the only solution a central-government directed watchdog that takes away ownership from stakeholders and tells them how to lead their lives.

Many of us value private property and personal freedom and are not going to stand aside and let these newfangled soviets destroy these towns in the name of the "greater good".

I feel communists really ended up winning the Cold War after all.

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Old 04-27-2022, 06:47 PM
 
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This attitude is the problem with America today. These Marxists operators have to make everything a racial struggle and propose as the only solution a central-government directed watchdog that takes away ownership from stakeholders and tells them how to lead their lives.

Many of us value private property and personal freedom and are not going to stand aside and let these newfangled soviets destroy these towns in the name of the "greater good".

I really feel nowadays like communists really ended up winning the Cold War after all.
This one of your Boston Public Schools that better for kids than METCO right? All those silly black parents should not be allowed to afford to live I. The suburbs or attend suburban schools right? Allegations of racist zoning and crappy Boston Public Schools are all in their silly little heads?

Scathing investigation prompts Boston superintendent to recommend closing ‘failed’ Mission Hill School: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/04/...n-hill-school/

Boston’s Mission Hill K-8 School endangered and failed children for years by overlooking allegations of sexual abuse and bullying and neglecting special-needs students, a scathing investigative report released Wednesday found.



The team of lawyers found, through 65 interviews and 2 million documents, “a picture of a failed school, one that largely hid behind its autonomous status and the philosophical ideals of [its founder and former leaders], often to the detriment of the Boston Public School students it served.”



Gavins “cultivated and tolerated culture of pervasive indifference to sexual misconduct, bullying and bias-based conduct and toward rules, regulations and policies, and created a climate of hostility and intimidation toward parents and staff who questioned or disagreed with that culture,” undermining student safety, according to the report.



Investigators found 102 documented incidents of sexually inappropriate behaviors by students from September 2013 to February 2021. Of those, only 45 were recorded on official incident reports.

In another instance of sexual misconduct involving students, Gavins “vigorously defended” an accused student, arguing to a parent that the student “could not have intended to sexually assault” someone because “research shows” that children “cannot have sexual intent,” the report says.

Current zoning laws are racist and keep too many people in these schools.
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Old 04-27-2022, 06:48 PM
 
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Zoning change is coming to the towns whether you want it or not. It’s the way it has to be.
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Old 04-27-2022, 06:55 PM
 
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This one of your Boston Public Schools that better for kids than METCO right? All those silly black parents should not be allowed to afford to live I. The suburbs or attend suburban schools right? Allegations of racist zoning and crappy Boston Public Schools are all in their silly little heads?

Scathing investigation prompts Boston superintendent to recommend closing ‘failed’ Mission Hill School: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/04/...n-hill-school/

Boston’s Mission Hill K-8 School endangered and failed children for years by overlooking allegations of sexual abuse and bullying and neglecting special-needs students, a scathing investigative report released Wednesday found.



The team of lawyers found, through 65 interviews and 2 million documents, “a picture of a failed school, one that largely hid behind its autonomous status and the philosophical ideals of [its founder and former leaders], often to the detriment of the Boston Public School students it served.”



Gavins “cultivated and tolerated culture of pervasive indifference to sexual misconduct, bullying and bias-based conduct and toward rules, regulations and policies, and created a climate of hostility and intimidation toward parents and staff who questioned or disagreed with that culture,” undermining student safety, according to the report.



Investigators found 102 documented incidents of sexually inappropriate behaviors by students from September 2013 to February 2021. Of those, only 45 were recorded on official incident reports.

In another instance of sexual misconduct involving students, Gavins “vigorously defended” an accused student, arguing to a parent that the student “could not have intended to sexually assault” someone because “research shows” that children “cannot have sexual intent,” the report says.

Current zoning laws are racist and keep too many people in these schools.
I do not see how that has anything to do with anything.

It is very simple, those schools are a disaster because those communities are a disaster themselves. There is nothing magic about suburban schools. It’s not even a matter of funding. Nobody spends more than Cambridge or DC and the schools are terrible. If the State goes willy-nilly jamming down affordable housing down the suburbs’ throats it will just destroy those schools - anybody who can will fly - and nothing would have been accomplished other than destroy the engine of economic growth. Perhaps Boston families should start being accountable for their shortcomings and stop blaming everyone else.
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Old 04-27-2022, 06:56 PM
 
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This one of your Boston Public Schools that better for kids than METCO right? All those silly black parents should not be allowed to afford to live I. The suburbs or attend suburban schools right? Allegations of racist zoning and crappy Boston Public Schools are all in their silly little heads?

Scathing investigation prompts Boston superintendent to recommend closing ‘failed’ Mission Hill School: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/04/...n-hill-school/

Boston’s Mission Hill K-8 School endangered and failed children for years by overlooking allegations of sexual abuse and bullying and neglecting special-needs students, a scathing investigative report released Wednesday found.



The team of lawyers found, through 65 interviews and 2 million documents, “a picture of a failed school, one that largely hid behind its autonomous status and the philosophical ideals of [its founder and former leaders], often to the detriment of the Boston Public School students it served.”



Gavins “cultivated and tolerated culture of pervasive indifference to sexual misconduct, bullying and bias-based conduct and toward rules, regulations and policies, and created a climate of hostility and intimidation toward parents and staff who questioned or disagreed with that culture,” undermining student safety, according to the report.



Investigators found 102 documented incidents of sexually inappropriate behaviors by students from September 2013 to February 2021. Of those, only 45 were recorded on official incident reports.

In another instance of sexual misconduct involving students, Gavins “vigorously defended” an accused student, arguing to a parent that the student “could not have intended to sexually assault” someone because “research shows” that children “cannot have sexual intent,” the report says.

Current zoning laws are racist and keep too many people in these schools.
Homie, what could BPS do we an extra $170M or so a year if it switched to neighborhood schools and stopped carting kids across town to equally sh*tty schools in the name of equitable equity?

As for non-exam schools failing, what else do you expect when teachers spend 90% of their time trying to get Jaquan da killa and Laquan da murdara to shut the f*ck up instead of teaching?
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Old 04-27-2022, 07:11 PM
 
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Zoning change is coming to the towns whether you want it or not. It’s the way it has to be.
Before making those grand prognostications you are so apt to do, you better check where legal precedent stands. Take a look at the Simon vs Needham (1942) case, which sanctioned the benefits of one-acre plots and the authority of the local zoning committee:

SIMON vs. TOWN OF NEEDHAM, 311 Mass. 560

"The establishment of a neighborhood of homes in such a way as to avoid congestion in the streets, to secure safety from fire and other dangers, to prevent overcrowding of land, to obtain adequate light, air and sunshine, and to enable it to be furnished with transportation, water, light, sewer and other public necessities, which when established would tend to improve and beautify the town and would harmonize with the natural characteristics of the locality, could be materially facilitated by a regulation that prescribed a reasonable minimum area for house lots. The area was to be determined not only in the light of present needs of the public but also with a view to the probable requirements of the public that would arise in the immediate future from the normal development of the land. The advantages enjoyed by those living in one family dwellings located upon an acre lot might be thought to exceed those possessed by persons living upon a lot of ten thousand square feet. More freedom from noise and traffic might result. The danger from fire from outside sources might be reduced. A better opportunity for rest and relaxation might be afforded. Greater facilities for children to play on the premises and not in the streets would be available. There may perhaps be more inducement for one to attempt something in the way of the cultivation of flowers, shrubs and vegetables.

There may be other advantages accruing to the occupants of the larger lots. The benefits derived by those living in such a neighborhood must be considered with the benefit that would accrue to the public generally who resided in Needham by the presence of such a neighborhood. In the four towns that adjoin Needham the minimum area restrictions for some residential lots have been fixed in one at twenty thousand square feet, in two others at forty thousand square feet, and in the fourth at an acre. Of eight other towns within a short distance from Needham, six have prescribed a minimum area of forty thousand square feet for house lots, and two others have fixed the minimum area as an acre. Such evidence is not decisive that the imposition of a restriction of an area of an acre is reasonable and proper, but it is persuasive that many other communities when faced with an apparently similar problem have determined that the public interest was best served by the adoption of a restriction in some instances identical and in others nearly identical with that imposed by the respondent town."
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Old 04-27-2022, 07:26 PM
 
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Zoning change is coming to the towns whether you want it or not. It’s the way it has to be.
Oh no homie, that’s not coming. Red wave in November is what’s coming, and if you and your crew keep up your farrakhanism don’t be surprised if Cheeto Bandito makes a comeback in 2024 whether you like it or not.
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Old 04-27-2022, 07:27 PM
 
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I do not see how that has anything to do with anything.

It is very simple, those schools are a disaster because those communities are a disaster themselves. There is nothing magic about suburban schools. It’s not even a matter of funding. Nobody spends more than Cambridge or DC and the schools are terrible. If the State goes willy-nilly jamming down affordable housing down the suburbs’ throats it will just destroy those schools - anybody who can will fly - and nothing would have been accomplished other than destroy the engine of economic growth. Perhaps Boston families should start being accountable for their shortcomings and stop blaming everyone else.
But how many of these suburbanites are supporting these far left policies that do nothing to solve the social problems, while they live comfortably in the safety and prosperity of the burbs? Maybe a little taste of reality will be good for them. These are the same folks who expect the cities to support all the addiction and social programs which many of their residents partake in, while saying NO NO NO to constructing any such programming in their backyards. I'm sick of them and their entitled attitudes while many contribute politically to the problems. There are problem children in the burbs too. And problem adults.
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Old 04-27-2022, 07:57 PM
 
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But how many of these suburbanites are supporting these far left policies that do nothing to solve the social problems, while they live comfortably in the safety and prosperity of the burbs? Maybe a little taste of reality will be good for them. These are the same folks who expect the cities to support all the addiction and social programs which many of their residents partake in, while saying NO NO NO to constructing any such programming in their backyards. I'm sick of them and their entitled attitudes while many contribute politically to the problems. There are problem children in the burbs too. And problem adults.
Agreed, nothing more infuriating than the incoherency and preachiness of a champagne socialist. Having said that, the city should not be complaining at all because they get more than their fair share financially: all the commercial property taxes on top of massive fiscal transfers at both the state and federal level to both individuals and governments.
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