Gentrifying Dorchester Neighborhoods? (Boston: 2014, rentals, violent crime)

[WestieWhitie]

Originally Posted by msRB311

I don't think savin hill was ever quite like the Ronan park area though. There may have been crime in Savin hill but Ronan park area was literally like a 3rd world country with crime. Savin hill at least had the T right there and a few restaurants.

Things are difinitely improving - it's typically a single house that's dragging down the whole block and those are being emptied out and renovated now that slumlords have whole armies of yuppies lining up to rent those triple decker flats because everything else is insanely expensive. Savin Hill for example had a gangbanger-infested six family that turned the entire surrounding neighborhood into a sh*thole, that got emptied out and renovated and now it's probably one of the safest blocks in the entire city. Same goes for Ronan Park area, thugs get groomed out to Brockton, yuppies move, businesses open up and before you know it there's $5,000 ***somethingdoodles everywhere, yoga on the hill and rent is $3,000 for a two bedroom.

[msRB311]

I find it hard to even feel bad for some of the people being displaced. Many of them are not working so it's not like they need the close proximity to Boston to get to a job. The ones that are working in the Boston area should be able to afford rent to live there. If not, you have to find a place you can afford.

[WestieWhitie]

Originally Posted by msRB311

I find it hard to even feel bad for some of the people being displaced. Many of them are not working so it's not like they need the close proximity to Boston to get to a job. The ones that are working in the Boston area should be able to afford rent to live there. If not, you have to find a place you can afford.

Exactly - apparently it's an unpopular opinion nowadays but I think city should focus on supporting the working, tax-paying folks and not the on the dole herd turning the place into a dump.

[msRB311]

Originally Posted by WestieWhitie

Exactly - apparently it's an unpopular opinion nowadays but I think city should focus on supporting the working, tax-paying folks and not the on the dole herd turning the place into a dump.

Dorchester still has its areas where low income people can live. There's also Mattapan and Hyde park. The city is simply needed for people who actually work there to live there. Sounds like even people who are paid well still have trouble finding places to live.

[deek42]

Originally Posted by WestieWhitie

Things are difinitely improving - it's typically a single house that's dragging down the whole block and those are being emptied out

Incredibly accurate - this is happening, problem house on Draper just turned over.

yuppies move, businesses open up and before you know it there's $5,000 ***somethingdoodles everywhere, yoga on the hill and rent is $3,000 for a two bedroom.

Now I think you live here. I just started noticing the "new faces" with expensive dogs these past couple months. Hopefully my majority owner occupied street full of good working class people isn't too affected. Obviously expensive dogs and pharmabros are better than crime, but don't want to many of the good people who made this a good place to live (of which there are many) to feel the heat. Doubt many would sell and try to buy again in this environment, no matter how much they get for the house they have. Seems the new faces are popping up on the more three-decker streets.

Yoga has been going on for a few years, the park gets good use by families and groups playing sports, only sign of trouble is the one jackass who rides his little stolen scooter through the park.

Don't think anyone arriving in the area now would get an unsafe vibe, just a bit of grit here and there. Replacing the burnt out Mt. Ida house with "luxury condos" really elevated the street.

[WestieWhitie]

Originally Posted by deek42

Incredibly accurate - this is happening, problem house on Draper just turned over.



Now I think you live here. I just started noticing the "new faces" with expensive dogs these past couple months. Hopefully my majority owner occupied street full of good working class people isn't too affected. Obviously expensive dogs and pharmabros are better than crime, but don't want to many of the good people who made this a good place to live (of which there are many) to feel the heat. Doubt many would sell and try to buy again in this environment, no matter how much they get for the house they have. Seems the new faces are popping up on the more three-decker streets.

Yoga has been going on for a few years, the park gets good use by families and groups playing sports, only sign of trouble is the one jackass who rides his little stolen scooter through the park.

Don't think anyone arriving in the area now would get an unsafe vibe, just a bit of grit here and there. Replacing the burnt out Mt. Ida house with "luxury condos" really elevated the street.

I doubt the owners are going to leave unless they feel like cashing out and having an instant seven figure payday, as for renters unfortunately that’s just the nature of the beast. You sign a contract to lock in your rent for a certain amount of time, once that expires the landlord has every right to set the rent to whatever the market dictates, be it ten dollars or a trillion dollars. And let’s be honest, some of the renters were the reason the neighborhood was such a sh*thole until recently, good riddance according to everyone but the Vida Urbana grifters and their useful id*ot potbanger herd.

[BostonBornMassMade]

you'd have to be a snowflake to feel unsafe anywhere near Ronan Park for the least 15 years. Yes, there was/is some crime but it never felt "unsafe" not in my lifetime. There have been gentrifiers there since 2010, at least. I airbnbd there 4 years ago. I knew an Amherst grad living there in 2016. The question is does it become predominately gentrified? Probably.

I doubt that's this year or next year but eventually if the city stays on track and things go as they have- but that's more up in the air now than at any point in a long time. Office vacancy is growing again (a lot, even lab subleasing is up) and the mayor is making a forceful push to change development patterns and the culture of the city in general. Societal interests and attitudes and payscales are changing too. the park and views and character is nice but I don't see it becoming Dorchester Heights SoBo equivalent within 10 years due to: middle age Millenials, and a smaller more diverse gen z generation population, and all the factors mentioned above.

Give it a generation 15-30 years and it will be very different.

[WestieWhitie]

Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade

you'd have to be a snowflake to feel unsafe anywhere near Ronan Park for the least 15 years. Yes, there was/is some crime but it never felt "unsafe" not in my lifetime. There have been gentrifiers there since 2010, at least. I airbnbd there 4 years ago. I knew an Amherst grad living there in 2016. The question is does it become predominately gentrified? Probably.

I doubt that's this year or next year but eventually if the city stays on track and things go as they have- but that's more up in the air now than at any point in a long time. Office vacancy is growing again (a lot, even lab subleasing is up) and the mayor is making a forceful push to change development patterns and the culture of the city in general. Societal interests and attitudes and payscales are changing too. the park and views and character is nice but I don't see it becoming Dorchester Heights SoBo equivalent within 10 years due to: middle age Millenials, and a smaller more diverse gen z generation population, and all the factors mentioned above.

Give it a generation 15-30 years and it will be very different.

It'll happen a lot quicker with comrade chairWumyn and her centered new green housing justice grifter brigade killing new construction left and right - politburo might be able to kill a new project but thankfully we haven't gone full North Korea yet and property owners are still free to renovate and boot the section 8 herd.

[BostonBornMassMade]

Originally Posted by WestieWhitie

It'll happen a lot quicker with comrade chairWumyn and her centered new green housing justice grifter brigade killing new construction left and right - politburo might be able to kill a new project but thankfully we haven't gone full North Korea yet and property owners are still free to renovate and boot the section 8 herd.

Didn't she just sign an executive order to streamline the construction and permitting of affordable housing?

Additionally, the whole idea of her plan with the BPDA is to make it easier and quick to develop properties in Boston. But there will be a bottleneck due to restructuring and drawing up a new zoning code.

People think Wus is gonna look to leapfrog from here personal id say they are VERY wrong. The Mayor of Boston is mayor for life and the city's star just continues to rise. We have recently rated the least politically competitive state in the nation. At 38 years old she's not gonna have to jettison this job till she is 50. She has beaucoup time to put her plan in place and build political capital before launching into Senate or Governorship. She can use this whole first term just to make her best-laid plans and network, put lipstick on a pig. Shell has the next two terms to really make a difference and more after that if she so chooses. Unless Boston really really changes and she gets voted out somehow. But for right now the same people who didn't like her- still don't like her and we know they're very outnumbered.

[WestieWhitie]

Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade

you'd have to be a snowflake to feel unsafe anywhere near Ronan Park for the least 15 years. Yes, there was/is some crime but it never felt "unsafe" not in my lifetime. There have been gentrifiers there since 2010, at least. I airbnbd there 4 years ago. I knew an Amherst grad living there in 2016. The question is does it become predominately gentrified? Probably.

I doubt that's this year or next year but eventually if the city stays on track and things go as they have- but that's more up in the air now than at any point in a long time. Office vacancy is growing again (a lot, even lab subleasing is up) and the mayor is making a forceful push to change development patterns and the culture of the city in general. Societal interests and attitudes and payscales are changing too. the park and views and character is nice but I don't see it becoming Dorchester Heights SoBo equivalent within 10 years due to: middle age Millenials, and a smaller more diverse gen z generation population, and all the factors mentioned above.

Give it a generation 15-30 years and it will be very different.

Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade

Didn't she just sign an executive order to streamline the construction and permitting of affordable housing?

Additionally, the whole idea of her plan with the BPDA is to make it easier and quick to develop properties in Boston. But there will be a bottleneck due to restructuring and drawing up a new zoning code.

People think Wus is gonna look to leapfrog from here personal id say they are VERY wrong. The Mayor of Boston is mayor for life and the city's star just continues to rise. We have recently rated the least politically competitive state in the nation. At 38 years old she's not gonna have to jettison this job till she is 50. She has beaucoup time to put her plan in place and build political capital before launching into Senate or Governorship. She can use this whole first term just to make her best-laid plans and network, put lipstick on a pig. Shell has the next two terms to really make a difference and more after that if she so chooses. Unless Boston really really changes and she gets voted out somehow. But for right now the same people who didn't like her- still don't like her and we know they're very outnumbered.

Homie, no one will build "affordable" housing comrade chairWumyn is demanding because developers are not charities and won't build at a loss, and she will kill any project where everything isn't being given away for next to nothing.