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I don't have to agree with you, my original post was about the posted article, that's it. You don't like it tough luck.
I actually don’t care either way, but I’m just bringing a different perspective in regards to the statements from other posters and the article itself based upon other information that is available. That’s all.
Anyway, as for Tops, does anyone know of which stores are their top performing stores? There are a couple in the Syracuse area that come to mind, but what about stores in the Buffalo area. I ask because that could give an idea as to which stores stick around or go.
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Never liked Tops at all. I worked as a vendor for them while I was going to college and would make deliveries to all the grocery stores, including walmart, target, tops, and wegmans.
The stockroom was filled with a bunch of employees who could care less, and it showed. I would see nepotism regularly and many people not qualified to deal with anyone, in rather important jobs. The stock room of many tops markets is dirty and disgusting.
From the customer side, the prices are too high and the stores aren't that nice. The only people I know who like shopping tops are living in rural areas where there are no other choices.
Wegmans stockroom is a well oiled machine, and the people running the ship are educated, and fair to work with. They run a good business.
Wegmans even came up with their own process to improve our delivery of our product to their stores.
Still incorrect, as it again limits the number of cities based upon population criteria. Let alone the differences between cities that were mentioned before. So, that is still not completely correct, Matt. I mean mrcnkwcz.
Good catch, sir. I can't stay out of trouble with my other account. Day 4 of a 30-day ban (plus or minus a day). Regarding the population criteria, I believe the minimum was set at 200k or 250k...I wanted to say 250k, but if ROC was included, it must've been 200k. 'Major cities', you know? Detroit and Cleveland are 1 and 2. Obviously the methodology could be different in that instead of analyzing/comparing poverty rates, you could take median income, mean income, some sort of estimate of total aggregate wealth, etc. But I have a feeling all these things would correlate pretty strongly. Metro areas may differ a bit more, though. Oakland County Michigan, outside Detroit, is one of the richest in the country. So I'm not sure how metro areas would stack up against one another, wealth-wise. I think the Rust Belt would rise relative to the ranks thanks to concentration of wealth in the burbs. But, given that that is true for every metropolitan area, what would be your guess at a poorest metro area for an entire region, off the cuff? Assuming minimum 800k or so...Memphis? IDK. Would be an interesting thing to measure (and I assume it already has been, but I'm not about to look it up at this time).
Yeah, I lied about not looking it up...inner geek prevails over intoxication. Lead photo is absurd. Publication is possibly dead (at least in print form); this is from 2011. But obviously in 2011 the last census' stats would've still been in play. Min pop 300k in this compilation. Spoiler alert: #10 is Mobile, Alabama
Edit to say: not a very enlightening list, as Fresno at 900+k is the biggest included. Greater El Paso only has just over 800k? That must be one of those woebegone regionalized cities you talk about...although it'd be a lot different if Juarez right across the border were included, eh. And once again, this measures poverty rate and poverty rate only. To get a true indication of overall poverty, you'd have to take either lowest mean or median income or wealth in my opinion (4 options there, despite my saying 'either'--double either).
Good catch, sir. I can't stay out of trouble with my other account. Day 4 of a 30-day ban (plus or minus a day). Regarding the population criteria, I believe the minimum was set at 200k or 250k...I wanted to say 250k, but if ROC was included, it must've been 200k. 'Major cities', you know? Detroit and Cleveland are 1 and 2. Obviously the methodology could be different in that instead of analyzing/comparing poverty rates, you could take median income, mean income, some sort of estimate of total aggregate wealth, etc. But I have a feeling all these things would correlate pretty strongly. Metro areas may differ a bit more, though. Oakland County Michigan, outside Detroit, is one of the richest in the country. So I'm not sure how metro areas would stack up against one another, wealth-wise. I think the Rust Belt would rise relative to the ranks thanks to concentration of wealth in the burbs. But, given that that is true for every metropolitan area, what would be your guess at a poorest metro area for an entire region, off the cuff? Assuming minimum 800k or so...Memphis? IDK. Would be an interesting thing to measure (and I assume it already has been, but I'm not about to look it up at this time).
You are kind of proving the point I was making. That was that if wealth is moving further out from the core city and many other cities can annex essentially unincorporated suburbia or have in more recent years into the city limits, that annexation masks the poverty in the core of that city proper, in comparison. That was why I posted those city lists to show how some cities like the major Upstate NY and many Rust Belt cities haven’t annexed much, if at all in several decades, while other cities have literally grown many times over within the same time in terms of land, even if they aren’t at their peak population. So, social aspects such as urban renewal, “white”/economic flight, college influence, etc. have a much different impact, depending upon the city.
As you can see, the Buffalo-Niagara Falls metro is 604th out of 868 metro and micro areas. Again, you’ll notice that Ithaca is the highest ranked NY area, but this is where the college town aspect I mentioned comes into play, considering the Ithaca area has the highest average annual income in Upstate NY according to the national Bureau of Labor Statistics. So, this all I meant by putting such list/rankings into proper perspective.
Now, I’m seriously trying to let that go in order to actually talk about this Tops situation.
Anyway, as for Tops, does anyone know of which stores are their top performing stores? I ask because that could give an idea as to which stores stick around or go.
As they have many urban stores which, at least Wegmans doesn't have, and many rural stores where they are the only game in town, one would think that they perform well.
I also wonder how much upper management survives. It seems someone has been dropping the ball for years.
Good catch, sir. I can't stay out of trouble with my other account. Day 4 of a 30-day ban (plus or minus a day). Regarding the population criteria, I believe the minimum was set at 200k or 250k...I wanted to say 250k, but if ROC was included, it must've been 200k. 'Major cities', you know? Detroit and Cleveland are 1 and 2. Obviously the methodology could be different in that instead of analyzing/comparing poverty rates, you could take median income, mean income, some sort of estimate of total aggregate wealth, etc. But I have a feeling all these things would correlate pretty strongly. Metro areas may differ a bit more, though. Oakland County Michigan, outside Detroit, is one of the richest in the country. So I'm not sure how metro areas would stack up against one another, wealth-wise. I think the Rust Belt would rise relative to the ranks thanks to concentration of wealth in the burbs. But, given that that is true for every metropolitan area, what would be your guess at a poorest metro area for an entire region, off the cuff? Assuming minimum 800k or so...Memphis? IDK. Would be an interesting thing to measure (and I assume it already has been, but I'm not about to look it up at this time).
Median Household Incomes for metros in 2016:
Detroit: $56,142
Buffalo: $53,487
Cleveland: $52,131
Per Capita Income:
Detroit: $31,574
Cleveland: $31,321
Buffalo: $30,777
Among metros over a million people, Buffalo, Cleveland, and Detroit all beat Miami, Phoenix, Riverside, Tampa, San Antonio, Orlando, Las Vegas, Jacksonville, Oklahoma City, Memphis, Louisville, New Orleans, Salt Lake City, Birmingham, Rochester, Grand Rapids, and Tuscon in per capita income.
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