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Lots of jobs add up to lots of jobs. Most of the red states are experiencing growing economies and people moving here to take advantage of that. The blues states are, largely, not.
I'm not requiring you to change your personal beliefs. Most people have a tendancy to cling to their belief system all the harder when confronted with information that challange that. I get that. Still, the information is all there. All you have to do is to access it. Come to terms with it as best as you can.
I suppose one can spin editorials/articles in a myriad number of ways yielding different conclusions. For example, the below article indicates the majority of states, red or blue, are struggling with job creation. The exceptions are a handful of red states where job growth can be tied chiefly to one sector...oil. No doubt people recall the energy sector experienced cycles of boom and bust which can wreak havoc on the most well crafted state budget. In the case of Alaska,North Dakota, and Texas job growth has much to do with a fortuitous series of events in which global demand for oil remains high despite the global economic downturn as well as new technologies to obtain more oil.
But I would definitely agree that California has serious issues with creating a realistic state budget. It doesn't help that state pension reform is lagging and smoke and mirrors have been used to pass previous state budgets which brought California to the point where it is now.
California is struggling because of its real estate crisis and the lack of jobs in construction. Plus many of the banks have had cuts, but you are hard pressed to find a state with tons of job growth in finance/banking.
For the college educated in technical fields and health care, California is doing relatively well. Engineers, computer programmers, and health care professionals, etc... are adjusting to the modern economy. EVERY SINGLE STATE is struggling to provide a lot of good quality jobs for residents without college degrees. Working at Target, Wal-Mart, McDonald's, Home Depot, etc... is becoming the norm, for $8-$15 per hour. So yes, unemployment might be "low", but they aren't necessarily good jobs in many states.
Your statements describe a reality of life and society -- they do not define failure nor lack of necessity.
Government is NOT a capitalist business based on consumerism.
The purposes and goals of government and of business are not the same. They cannot and should not run the same. The purpose and goal of government is to serve and protect a citizenry.
Business? Not so much ... in fact, not at all.
Are we to believe that the purpose and goal of government are the same as its practice?
Any intelligent person knows there are plenty of politicians and other public sector employees who use their positions to their advantage rather than in devotion to the taxpayers.
The government and for-profit business fundamentally the same. They both are paid to and, depending on who you ask, provide a service to those who pay them.
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California has the most dysfunctional politics of any state. And part of that is the allowing, even encouraging, of illegals and even legals taking jobs that Americans WILL DO. This would be in construction, landscaping, electrical, painting, restaurants, etc, etc,.
Apparently Americans won't pick lettuce, but the other jobs being lost to dysfunctional immigration policies are hurting the state--not to mention the exorbitant taxes wasted to subsidize the "cheap" labor.
Depressingly... right on the money. My tax money, that is.
Imagine this scenario: an illegal alien mexican construction worker earns $15/hour, being paid under the table and therefore free of taxation. He has six children. He lives in East San Jose, in one of the most expensive COL metro areas in the United States.
Who is paying for his children's educational, health care and other services that they use?
Let's use every braincell we have and try to figure this out...
In 2011 an average of 5 companies left California each and every week, taking their jobs with them. This trend is accelerating not going away.
Reasons given for leaving California:
*1) Poor rankings in surveys by business organizations and other sources.
*2) Unfriendly business climate and more adversarial positions and attitudes toward business. It is so much easier to do business in other states.
*3) Uncontrollable public spending.
*4) Provable savings elsewhere, in cost to do business.
*5) Most expensive business locations in the country.
*6) Unfriendly legal environment for business, making it difficult to do business in California.
*7) Worst regulatory burden of any state. Instead of having just half a dozen agencies each having several departments, in California as many as 50 or more agencies have to approve every time you do something. A real job producing fiefdom that other states think is archaic as do businesses, and drives business out of town.
*8) Severe tax treatment, and every time the taxes are increased more companies and middle to upper income people leave which reduces the amount of taxes collected. State income tax collections down 16% from last year. Sales and use taxes way down again this year.
*9) Unprecedented energy costs. Much lower other places in country.
*10) State is known as Taxifornia due to having the highest personal income tax in the nation, and 4th highest sales tax rates. Governor Brown proposes to only “temporarily” raise personal income rates by 25% on any of the rich folk who haven’t already left. This tax the rich attitude will drive even more middle and upper income people and their job producing businesses from the state.
And for every business that leaves the state, several more decide not to open up in California for the same reasons. A big reason for about the highest unemployment rate in the nation.
Upper and middle class people are fleeing the state in large numbers, following the jobs. This is why the proportion of the white European ancestry population in the state has dropped to 41% of the residents. The upper and middle class white population is being replaced by Illegal Alien population, and poor people that are legally in the state. The more the middle and upper population leave the state the more liberal the state becomes, and the more problems the state has.
California is considered the worst state in the nation to locate a business.
Los Angeles is considered the worst city to start a business. Leaving Los Angeles for another surrounding county can save businesses 20% of costs to do business, so they are leaving the city.
Businesses say that saving 20% is good, but leaving the state for Texas can reduce the costs of running a business up to 40%.
Do you think this may be why California lost 120,000 jobs last year and Texas gained 130,000 jobs.
California average personal income $44,481. Texas average personal income $39,593.
Compare cost of living with $44,481 in California living in Cupertino Ca, against Austin Tx and you can live at the same standard of living with only a $21,485 income, which would give you those moving to Austin a hot spot for electronic industry a huge higher standard of living increase when you consider how little different the salaries are. Yes the cost of living is less than half of what it is in Cupertino, but the salaries only average about 20% less. A big reason companies and people are fleeing California. Yes in Austin they can afford to buy a home as the homes in Austin of the same caliber are 75% less than in Cupertino. San Jose area unemployment rate 8.6%, Austin Tx, 6%.
California is struggling because of its real estate crisis and the lack of jobs in construction. Plus many of the banks have had cuts, but you are hard pressed to find a state with tons of job growth in finance/banking.
For the college educated in technical fields and health care, California is doing relatively well. Engineers, computer programmers, and health care professionals, etc... are adjusting to the modern economy. EVERY SINGLE STATE is struggling to provide a lot of good quality jobs for residents without college degrees. Working at Target, Wal-Mart, McDonald's, Home Depot, etc... is becoming the norm, for $8-$15 per hour. So yes, unemployment might be "low", but they aren't necessarily good jobs in many states.
Exactly.
Funny how people have so quickly forgotten about the whole housing bubble/foreclosure crisis/criminal bank and mortgage issues of the past decade (or more) and then don't understand the fallout from it. It's the domino effect plain and simple.
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Originally Posted by oldtrader
A few facts about California
In 2011 an average of 5 companies left California each and every week, taking their jobs with them. This trend is accelerating not going away.
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I notice that you "forgot" to mention how many businesses are being created? Companies move INTO California and are formed here. Noting one thing and not the other is kind of like mentioning that you've been spending more on groceries and saying that you will be ruined because of it. There are other factors in a household budget than groceries.
As the old saying goes, "Statistics don't lie, but liars use statistics".
Location: Central Bay Area, CA as of Jan 2010...but still a proud Texan from Houston!
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Originally Posted by oldtrader
A few facts about California
In 2011 an average of 5 companies left California each and every week, taking their jobs with them. This trend is accelerating not going away.
Reasons given for leaving California:
*1) Poor rankings in surveys by business organizations and other sources.
*2) Unfriendly business climate and more adversarial positions and attitudes toward business. It is so much easier to do business in other states.
*3) Uncontrollable public spending.
*4) Provable savings elsewhere, in cost to do business.
*5) Most expensive business locations in the country.
*6) Unfriendly legal environment for business, making it difficult to do business in California.
*7) Worst regulatory burden of any state. Instead of having just half a dozen agencies each having several departments, in California as many as 50 or more agencies have to approve every time you do something. A real job producing fiefdom that other states think is archaic as do businesses, and drives business out of town.
*8) Severe tax treatment, and every time the taxes are increased more companies and middle to upper income people leave which reduces the amount of taxes collected. State income tax collections down 16% from last year. Sales and use taxes way down again this year.
*9) Unprecedented energy costs. Much lower other places in country.
*10) State is known as Taxifornia due to having the highest personal income tax in the nation, and 4th highest sales tax rates. Governor Brown proposes to only “temporarily” raise personal income rates by 25% on any of the rich folk who haven’t already left. This tax the rich attitude will drive even more middle and upper income people and their job producing businesses from the state.
And for every business that leaves the state, several more decide not to open up in California for the same reasons. A big reason for about the highest unemployment rate in the nation.
Upper and middle class people are fleeing the state in large numbers, following the jobs. This is why the proportion of the white European ancestry population in the state has dropped to 41% of the residents. The upper and middle class white population is being replaced by Illegal Alien population, and poor people that are legally in the state. The more the middle and upper population leave the state the more liberal the state becomes, and the more problems the state has.
California is considered the worst state in the nation to locate a business.
Los Angeles is considered the worst city to start a business. Leaving Los Angeles for another surrounding county can save businesses 20% of costs to do business, so they are leaving the city.
Businesses say that saving 20% is good, but leaving the state for Texas can reduce the costs of running a business up to 40%.
Do you think this may be why California lost 120,000 jobs last year and Texas gained 130,000 jobs.
California average personal income $44,481. Texas average personal income $39,593.
Compare cost of living with $44,481 in California living in Cupertino Ca, against Austin Tx and you can live at the same standard of living with only a $21,485 income, which would give you those moving to Austin a hot spot for electronic industry a huge higher standard of living increase when you consider how little different the salaries are. Yes the cost of living is less than half of what it is in Cupertino, but the salaries only average about 20% less. A big reason companies and people are fleeing California. Yes in Austin they can afford to buy a home as the homes in Austin of the same caliber are 75% less than in Cupertino. San Jose area unemployment rate 8.6%, Austin Tx, 6%.
You explained it well but the CA cheerleaders can't grasp any of this. You are right on!
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Oh, there's no question that you can afford more for your money in Texas, even after adjusting for the extremely high airconditioning bills. For some reason though, more people would rather pay a higher price to stay here.
You explained it well but the CA cheerleaders can't grasp any of this. You are right on!
Thing is..I'm not a "cheerleader" or anything like that. I can only discuss from my own perspective and what is going on in Silicon Valley (where there IS job creation right now). I also understand from living abroad where many California based companies have European offices and have thrived and in most cases and HELP the market in this state since companies with any value thrive here in California. It's easy to try to compare job creation in places like Texas...sure, you can probably get a job at Walmart or as a bag boy in a supermarket--something along these lines, not requiring any sort of degree or specialized skill. So have you not considered that yes, Texas (or similar) may have more "jobs" and the numbers may look better..but the quality of "job" entirely skews these sort of statistics? I mean sure, working at Starbucks is a "job" when looking at unemployment rates.
My husband has worked for many different tech companies over the years (here and in Europe) and I can tell you that unfortunately yes, there is a lot of outsourcing in the customer service sector...no doubt about it...you know, call a number, you get India or even the Philippines for this line of work..talk to someone that barely understands the problem.
BUT...for higher salaried employees and highly skilled people... engineers, architects, database admin, marketing, project management, advertising, QA, and marketing...anything with skill and a mandatory college degree (master's or higher), then California is still the place to be.
In my region, there have been an astounding amount of people moving IN, not OUT of this state. How do I know this? I own a rental property and several of the applicants have been from out of state (a couple of applicants from Texas, actually) and this would be out of 3 applicants--with new jobs in waste management, the tech sector, transportation--this kind of thing. I also live in a place where a sudden influx of out of state license plates and tons of new kids are moving into our local schools. Perhaps not proof enough for people living by biased reporting or news that has an obvious political lean.
There's always more to statistics or numbers than meets the eye. Again, I'm no cheerleader, but fortunately (or even unfortunately at times) it's the ONLY place where my husband will be likely to find employment...unless we're looking to move back to Europe where most of these companies have offices (companies headquartered in California).
Posts #2 and #44 examined the situation and presented excellent responses, so will not add to those opinions at this time. Will just add a one word explanation for virtually every single one of California's problems. That word is Liberalism.
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