Why people leave California (Los Angeles, Sacramento: section 8, apartment complex, to rent)

[user_id]

Originally Posted by Ultrarunner

Unless you have a skill that is in demand...

Recently, the Local Hospital hired 3 new grad nurses from Cal State East Bay... starting wage is $42 and in 6 months it goes to $45 plus benefits...

Even if you have skills that are in demand....California can be a rough place. $45/hour isn't that much, around $85,000 a year, you can't even afford a small home on that salary in a decent area of LA or bay area. Here, for example, a reasonable single family home starts at around $600,000 and a family would have to earn around $120,000/year (even more if they had student loans or other debt) a year to comfortably afford that at current interest rates

Originally Posted by Ultrarunner

One is married to a police officer... 25 and she is 24 and they have a 9 month old... this young couple will earn 200k right out of school...

A young police officer doesn't earn anywhere near $120,000 a year and I think both parents having to work to afford things is, well, rough. Who wants paid strangers to raise their kids? Apparently a lot of people....but not something I personally understand. Due to the way taxes work out, people can often move to a cheaper area and have the same standard of living on a single income. I think any young working family should have a very serious discussion if the costs to live in California are truly worth it for them, there are many nice areas throughout the country that are much cheaper.

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by user_id

A young police officer doesn't earn anywhere near $120,000 a year and I think both parents having to work to afford things is, well, rough. Who wants paid strangers to raise their kids? Apparently a lot of people....but not something I personally understand. Due to the way taxes work out, people can often move to a cheaper area and have the same standard of living on a single income. I think any young working family should have a very serious discussion if the costs to live in California are truly worth it for them, there are many nice areas throughout the country that are much cheaper.

The "young" police officer could have been on the force for four years, not a rookie.

Guess in your all; seeing, all knowing way you somehow haven't grasped the concept of overtime. Pity! There's plenty in both professions.

But never let an opportunity to argue with anyone and everyone get in your way.

[SOON2BNSURPRISE]

Originally Posted by user_id

Even if you have skills that are in demand....California can be a rough place. $45/hour isn't that much, around $85,000 a year, you can't even afford a small home on that salary in a decent area of LA or bay area. Here, for example, a reasonable single family home starts at around $600,000 and a family would have to earn around $120,000/year (even more if they had student loans or other debt) a year to comfortably afford that at current interest rates



A young police officer doesn't earn anywhere near $120,000 a year and I think both parents having to work to afford things is, well, rough. Who wants paid strangers to raise their kids? Apparently a lot of people....but not something I personally understand. Due to the way taxes work out, people can often move to a cheaper area and have the same standard of living on a single income. I think any young working family should have a very serious discussion if the costs to live in California are truly worth it for them, there are many nice areas throughout the country that are much cheaper.

Funny thing about both Nursing and being a Police Officer. Both can work days or nights. Take my wife for example. She works three 7pm to 7am shifts a week so she is home with the kids when they are out of school. I get the kids ready for school when she is working and then head off to work after she gets home. It has worked for us during our marriage. I know many others that have done the same thing and no one else had had to raise the kids.

Also realize that with nursing, they work 3 - 12 hour shifts at regular pay and many times will work a 4th shift or maybe work an extra 4 hours after their normal 12 hour shift. Doing just that can move those incomes past the $100,000 a year mark. I know one of our RN's makes over $170,000 a year but she practically lives here at the hosital though.

[Ultrarunner]

Originally Posted by user_id

Even if you have skills that are in demand....California can be a rough place. $45/hour isn't that much, around $85,000 a year, you can't even afford a small home on that salary in a decent area of LA or bay area. Here, for example, a reasonable single family home starts at around $600,000 and a family would have to earn around $120,000/year (even more if they had student loans or other debt) a year to comfortably afford that at current interest rates



A young police officer doesn't earn anywhere near $120,000 a year and I think both parents having to work to afford things is, well, rough. Who wants paid strangers to raise their kids? Apparently a lot of people....but not something I personally understand. Due to the way taxes work out, people can often move to a cheaper area and have the same standard of living on a single income. I think any young working family should have a very serious discussion if the costs to live in California are truly worth it for them, there are many nice areas throughout the country that are much cheaper.

Both have almost unlimited opportunity for overtime... just the Occupy movement and more recent Furgeson protest have my OPD friends swimming in overtime...

Here is a dated link from 4 years ago...

RealClearMarkets - Of Course Oakland Can't Afford These Cops

Not that many stay at home mom's around here... just looking at the nursing staff where I work... all but one is a woman and all have families... several are married to Police Officers/Firefighters

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by Ultrarunner

Unless you have a skill that is in demand...

Recently, the Local Hospital hired 3 new grad nurses from Cal State East Bay... starting wage is $42 and in 6 months it goes to $45 plus benefits...

All are 25 or younger and 2 are married.

One is married to a police officer... 25 and she is 24 and they have a 9 month old... this young couple will earn 200k right out of school...

So how does this help the thousands of unemployed who were in manufacturing and related jobs that are going away.

Plus such jobs have good demand in every State, not just CA, so what is the point?

[Ultrarunner]

Originally Posted by expatCA

So how does this help the thousands of unemployed who were in manufacturing and related jobs that are going away.

Plus such jobs have good demand in every State, not just CA, so what is the point?

It proves that California does have jobs for those with the right qualifications...

I behooves a person to learn the skills that employers need if you want to be employed.

We have several nurses that parlayed their military experience to become RN's with no degree required... California allows military corpsman to challenge the nursing board.

My example shows that people from simple backgrounds, often immigrant or the first in their family with a degree do make it here...

I posted several years ago that SF General was hiring new grad RNs at 100k starting...

If no one made it here... the place would be a dustbowl and property values would plummet.

The reason property is high is because demand is high and the SF Bay Area does have significant well paying jobs...

[2sleepy]

With overtime even a rookie cop will make more than 100k, heck even the 33,000 prison guards in California make that much with overtime and they get peace officer retirement and benefits.

[user_id]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

The "young" police officer could have been on the force for four years, not a rookie. Guess in your all; seeing, all knowing way you somehow haven't grasped the concept of overtime. Pity! There's plenty in both professions.

I didn't say anything about overtime and I think it would be helpful if you noted the context of my comment, you see, trying to to raise a family with both parents working and one or more also working overtime would be rough. But the average pay of police officers, including overtime, is around $95,000 so a young police officer would have to work a lot of overtime to achieve that pay.

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

But never let an opportunity to argue with anyone and everyone get in your way.

The irony.

[user_id]

Originally Posted by Ultrarunner

Both have almost unlimited opportunity for overtime... just the Occupy movement and more recent Furgeson protest have my OPD friends swimming in overtime...

I don't think either have anything close to "almost unlimited opportunity for overtime" and in the context of young families...overtime means even greater amounts of time away from your family. I think there is little point in making extra money if you're always at work and have to hire people to take care of your kids....but I guess that is the sort of thing people have to do to afford to live in California. Seems pretty miserable to me.

Originally Posted by Ultrarunner

Not that many stay at home mom's around here... just looking at the nursing staff where I work... all but one is a woman and all have families... several are married to Police Officers/Firefighters

Probably not....but that is because California is rough on young families.

[user_id]

Originally Posted by SOON2BNSURPRISE

Funny thing about both Nursing and being a Police Officer. Both can work days or nights. Take my wife for example. She works three 7pm to 7am shifts a week so she is home with the kids when they are out of school. I get the kids ready for school when she is working and then head off to work after she gets home. It has worked for us during our marriage. I know many others that have done the same thing and no one else had had to raise the kids.

I've seen people do this sort of thing and while it avoids things like daycare, it always seems very stressful and the people seemed overworked. Families in California seem to work so hard just to make it, yet decades ago they did just fine with a single earner.