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In Jan. 2013, California's unemployment rate was 12.1% while the minimum wage was $8.00/hr.
In May 2017, California's unemployment rate was 4.7% while the minimum wage was $10.50/hr.
Raising the minimum wage didn't kill jobs; the opposite occurred, it seemed to have created them. There's no data to support that, so it's fair to say that raising the minimum wage did not hurt employment. That backs up a lot of national studies that came to the same conclusion.
Thanks for the facts Robert Reich has some very good videos debunking some of the talking points rebublicans keep repeating.
The one I love and one we heard just above is that "these jobs were not meant to do that" (provide a living wage) lol Meant? Who meant that they not do that?
Dave
In Jan. 2013, California's unemployment rate was 12.1% while the minimum wage was $8.00/hr.
In May 2017, California's unemployment rate was 4.7% while the minimum wage was $10.50/hr.
Raising the minimum wage didn't kill jobs; the opposite occurred, it seemed to have created them. There's no data to support that, so it's fair to say that raising the minimum wage did not hurt employment. That backs up a lot of national studies that came to the same conclusion.
In 2013 the economy across the country was a lot worse than 2017 and unemployment was very high across the country not just in California .
Higher minimum wage did not create jobs . It was just that business owners and consumers were hurting during that time . It was much harder to borrow money and get loans etc .
One thing is a fact . Higher minimum wages are unattractive to employers .
I think it'll be not too bad for big business because lots of their independent immigrant owned small business competition will get killed thanks to politicians .
Big business can automate and run efficiently , buy in bulk etc .
the one I love and one we heard just above is that "these jobs were not meant to do that" (provide a living wage) lol Meant? Who meant that they not do that?
Thanks for the facts Robert Reich has some very good videos debunking some of the talking points rebublicans keep repeating.
The one I love and one we heard just above is that "these jobs were not meant to do that" (provide a living wage) lol Meant? Who meant that they not do that?
Dave
Not Republican talking points. From the BLS release:
Minimum wage jobs are .... entry level jobs and never meant supply a family, rather for kids to start working. The economy is so bad people of all ages needing any job are taking them. But they were never designed to support families.
The Berkeley Labor Center has done at least six other studies on the minimum wage in California municipalities, all showing that a wage increase would be beneficial. In fact, Jacobs could not name a study conducted by Berkeley that said raising wages would have an overall negative impact. ...
Given this history of identical results, it's not surprising that the Murray administration in Seattle was anxious to have a copy of the predictably-positive Berkeley report to tout on the third anniversary of its minimum wage law.
Yet the anecdotal evidence in Seattle backs up the empirical data provided by the UW team. Local restaurant owners of establishments such as Louisa's Cafe and z Pizza have shut down, citing the cost of the minimum wage law as a factor. Karam Mann, a franchisee who owns a Subway location with his wife Heidi, has cut his staffing levels from seven employees down to three.
The wage floor is still rising in Seattle, and there are more chapters to write on the city's minimum wage experiment. But if accuracy if the goal, the Berkeley team is not the right choice to author them.
In 2013 the economy across the country was a lot worse than 2017 and unemployment was very high across the country not just in California .
Higher minimum wage did not create jobs . It was just that business owners and consumers were hurting during that time . It was much harder to borrow money and get loans etc .
One thing is a fact . Higher minimum wages are unattractive to employers .
I think it'll be not too bad for big business because lots of their independent immigrant owned small business competition will get killed thanks to politicians .
Big business can automate and run efficiently , buy in bulk etc .
All wages are unattractive to employers. Are we now going to determine worker pay on what is 'attractive' to an employer? Business is booming in spite of minimum wage increases and unemployment is down, if you want to provide another theory for that then do so, but please show some data backing it up.
Not Republican talking points. From the BLS release:
If that's not a BLS release it's an opinion piece from AEI a right wing think tank. And please note it goes through Dec 2015 so the information is now 18 months old
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Originally Posted by expatCA
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timwors.../#3e4d8a7b2b5c
Minimum wage jobs are .... entry level jobs and never meant supply a family, rather for kids to start working. The economy is so bad people of all ages needing any job are taking them. But they were never designed to support families.
That's just another conservative regurgitating the same data that you presented in your AEI link.
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Originally Posted by expatCA
The Libs are trying to change the facts:https://www.forbes.com/sites/michael.../#261029e156ae
The Berkeley Labor Center has done at least six other studies on the minimum wage in California municipalities, all showing that a wage increase would be beneficial. In fact, Jacobs could not name a study conducted by Berkeley that said raising wages would have an overall negative impact. ...
Given this history of identical results, it's not surprising that the Murray administration in Seattle was nxious to have a copy of the predictably-positive Berkeley report to tout on the third anniversary of its minimum wage law.
Strangest opinion piece I've read in a while the author didn't attack the data in the Berkeley report but went after the source..umm yeah that was really compelling. You might want to look at this article to get a different point of view https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...-minimum-wage/
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Originally Posted by expatCA
Yet the anecdotal evidence in Seattle backs up the empirical data provided by the UW team. Local restaurant owners of establishments such as Louisa's Cafe
You didn't even read it did you? The business had far more problems than a minimum wage increase and I hate to break it to you, but no one is going to prep cook in Seattle for $11 an hour no matter how badly Louisa wishes they would.
If that's not a BLS release it's an opinion piece from AEI a right wing think tank. And please note it goes through Dec 2015 so the information is now 18 months old
That's just another conservative regurgitating the same data that you presented in your AEI link.
Strangest opinion piece I've read in a while the author didn't attack the data in the Berkeley report but went after the source..umm yeah that was really compelling. You might want to look at this article to get a different point of view https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...-minimum-wage/
You didn't even read it did you? The business had far more problems than a minimum wage increase and I hate to break it to you, but no one is going to prep cook in Seattle for $11 an hour no matter how badly Louisa wishes they would.
The data is the data regardless of which group posts it. Yes it is in 2015 and even then problems. No update yet to check.
No one is going to hire a kid fresh out of school or an adult at $15.00 and hour either, when they can hire illegals at way less.
Louisa is "one" account and there were others as well, so one does not change the problem. Not my problem as I have never paid minimum wage to anyone, always above it.
Oh, Unions support it because many of their contracts require a raise to union members anytime the minimum wage goes up. That costs the economy as well, but they do not care.
The companies that need unskilled workers, who get raises as they learn, are hurt by the law and must either reduce staff, go to robotics, raise prices so YOU pay the raise or close.
From an LA Times article.
The early takeaway: Many restaurants, which are highly dependent on low-wage labor, are reacting by raising prices.
"The message that we've heard is that businesses are making adjustments," Vigdor said. "But so far, those adjustments have not involved anything on the order of mass layoffs or mass shutdowns. The most common response is that they're going to increase prices."
Minimum wage raises have always cost someone and rarely the company owner. How this will work out is yet to be seen, but prices are going up in many places and more robotics are being used as well.
I am not against the minimum wage, I just recognize it has a down side as well as an upside. It is a win/lose situation, never a win/win one.
The data is the data regardless of which group posts it. Yes it is in 2015 and even then problems. No update yet to check.
No one is going to hire a kid fresh out of school or an adult at $15.00 and hour either, when they can hire illegals at way less.
Louisa is "one" account and there were others as well, so one does not change the problem. Not my problem as I have never paid minimum wage to anyone, always above it.
Oh, Unions support it because many of their contracts require a raise to union members anytime the minimum wage goes up. That costs the economy as well, but they do not care.
The companies that need unskilled workers, who get raises as they learn, are hurt by the law and must either reduce staff, go to robotics, raise prices so YOU pay the raise or close.
From an LA Times article.
The early takeaway: Many restaurants, which are highly dependent on low-wage labor, are reacting by raising prices.
"The message that we've heard is that businesses are making adjustments," Vigdor said. "But so far, those adjustments have not involved anything on the order of mass layoffs or mass shutdowns. The most common response is that they're going to increase prices."
Minimum wage raises have always cost someone and rarely the company owner. How this will work out is yet to be seen, but prices are going up in many places and more robotics are being used as well.
I am not against the minimum wage, I just recognize it has a down side as well as an upside. It is a win/lose situation, never a win/win one.
Automation will replace workers no matter what the minimum wage is, as the costs of automation decrease it will be implemented no matter what the minimum wage is.
When is the last time restaurants lowered prices? Geez, they had the benefit of $7.25 an hour for 9 years and how many times during that period did they reduce prices? It's just not that big of a deal and prices don't go up that much with minimum wage increases since wages are only 17-25% of the cost of goods sold and not every worker in the industry earns minimum wage.
Food prices go up but no one on CD seems to want to start hair on fire threads about how the price of ground beef which has doubled since 2010 means the death of restaurants and fast food stores even though food consumes something like 30% of the cost of goods sold for restaurants and fast food stores, but around here any cost increase other than wages is met with crickets
I don't think you can pull off large minimum wage increases in SW Missouri, or in most parts of Louisiana or Alabama but for most of the west coast it's moot because employers are not finding employees who will work for anything close to $9 or $10 an hour, those employees find that they can do better working in the gig economy. By the time the $15 minimum goes into effect I am guessing that most employees in impacted areas will already be making that.
All wages are unattractive to employers. Are we now going to determine worker pay on what is 'attractive' to an employer? Business is booming in spite of minimum wage increases and unemployment is down, if you want to provide another theory for that then do so, but please show some data backing it up.
Yes we should want to make sure labor costs are attractive if we want to be competitive with other states and countries.
So employers are the ones actually paying and writing checks to pay employees yet the employer shouldn't determine the wage ?
This is another step towards socialism but of course that's what some in this country want .
Min wages aren't at $15 yet in CA but they will be soon
Of course the pro $15 crowd will just say the businesses weren't "innovative " enough to succeed .
Automation will replace workers no matter what the minimum wage is, as the costs of automation decrease it will be implemented no matter what the minimum wage is.
When is the last time restaurants lowered prices? Geez, they had the benefit of $7.25 an hour for 9 years and how many times during that period did they reduce prices? It's just not that big of a deal and prices don't go up that much with minimum wage increases since wages are only 17-25% of the cost of goods sold and not every worker in the industry earns minimum wage.
Food prices go up but no one on CD seems to want to start hair on fire threads about how the price of ground beef which has doubled since 2010 means the death of restaurants and fast food stores even though food consumes something like 30% of the cost of goods sold for restaurants and fast food stores, but around here any cost increase other than wages is met with crickets
I don't think you can pull off large minimum wage increases in SW Missouri, or in most parts of Louisiana or Alabama but for most of the west coast it's moot because employers are not finding employees who will work for anything close to $9 or $10 an hour, those employees find that they can do better working in the gig economy. By the time the $15 minimum goes into effect I am guessing that most employees in impacted areas will already be making that.
I don't know the prices in Sacramento but in L.A food at fast food type places or fast casual has gone up a lot .
Much much higher than the cost of living increase many people get from their jobs which is likd 3 percent
I've seen places jump way more than 10 percent in less than a year.
I've seen the pro $15 crowd say ridiculous stuff like the price of a burger will go up 10 cents if min wage is $15hr that's just absurd .
Keep in mind . It's not just the restaurant will not just be affected by higher labor costs for their employees but the delivery guy is going to cost the vendors more money now so they are going to get hit there .
The list goes on .
Look at when gas was over $4 and all the companies were charging fuel surcharges .
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Robert Reich has some very good videos debunking some of the talking points rebublicans keep repeating.
