Fresno Struggles With $15 Min Wage (Los Angeles: insurance, houses, unemployment rate)

[Perma Bear]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Um yeah. And over the years I've lived in California, it has "limped" from a couple hundred thousand population to over a half million. Nearly 20% in just this new century.

That's because it sucks up the people who can't afford real California cities

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by jm1982

Yes it's terrible, not just for small business owners but also for the poor unskilled that work for them.
If those businesses close where will they work?
People say , "No problem...other businesses will want to open in their spot!"

Yes perhaps, but they will be the types of business that has higher skilled workers. Maybe a tech company, architecture firm, attorneys office, etc.
None of these places will hire someone that's work experience was as a burger flipper or cashier.

There is a lack of housing in cities like Los Angeles , so many of the closed businesses might be repurposed as housing...most likely for higher income or wealthy because that's what makes economic sense to build in a city like L.A

Business owners will likely look into opportunities out of state , Texas will become more attractive. Their minimum wage is currently $7.25 and they haven't passed any of these laws ...at least yet.

The entire apparel industry in Los Angeles is looking to move out of Downtown Los Angeles to El Paso ,TX
An economist and former Director of apparel giant Forever 21 has dubbed it "An Exodus"

People say no big deal ..it's JUST the apparel industry...yes..but it employs 30,000 people in Los Angeles.

Fresno will probably fair worse than L.A because there are less skilled workers in general.

Welcome jm! Here to continue spreading the same total nonsense as has been debunked in all the other minimum wage threads!

So, when minimum wages increase, will consumer demand for burgers diminish? No? Then why will burger flippers have to find work in high tech? Lmfao.

Burger joint owners will abandon their established market to go where minimum wage is less? Why would that be a problem for you? Consumer demand for burgers will just open new joints.

The entire apparel industry of Los Angeles has been moving out of Los Angeles at a fast rate for years having nothing to do with this wage increase. 1/3 of the LA apparel industry left in the past decade. You've had this information given you elsewhere but now jump over here to try and set new readers' hair on fire?

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Perma Bear

That's because it sucks up the people who can't afford real California cities

So what's your point relative to the topic? Fresno is growing like a weed. It's been paying the same minimum wages as the rest of the state the whole time it's been growing.

[Des-Lab]

Because everyone knows that if it isn't on or within fifteen miles of the coast, then it isn't "real" California.

You are not "real" unless your home or monthly or salary or both isn't seven figures.

Come on. Get with the program here. If it's not west of Hwy 101, it isn't CA. Period.

Cities like Anaheim, West Covina, Apple Valley, Bakersfield, or Fresno might as well be Dodge City, KS for all the "authenticity" they have as being part of CA.

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Welcome jm! Here to continue spreading the same total nonsense as has been debunked in all the other minimum wage threads!

So, when minimum wages increase, will consumer demand for burgers diminish? No? Then why will burger flippers have to find work in high tech? Lmfao.

Burger joint owners will abandon their established market to go where minimum wage is less? Why would that be a problem for you? Consumer demand for burgers will just open new joints.

The entire apparel industry of Los Angeles has been moving out of Los Angeles at a fast rate for years having nothing to do with this wage increase. 1/3 of the LA apparel industry left in the past decade. You've had this information given you elsewhere but now jump over here to try and set new readers' hair on fire?

Nice to see you!
You are the one spreading the nonsense though and more people agreed with me versus you though.

To answer your question: Because there will be less incentive to operate. Most people get into business to make a profit , not lose money on purpose.
When a whole industry becomes less profitable then you see it diminish. It's been that way through history.

30,000 people work in the Los Angeles apparel industry. It's still big, but you probably wouldn't know since you don't live in Los Angeles .
What will likely happen is that the places where apparel workers now work will be converted into more lofts. That doesn't help people whose skill is apparel making right?...

The problem is that you assume things will remain the same and wages will just go up.
You claim to care about the working poor...but you want to make it more difficult for the businesses they work for to survive...

[Chimérique]

Originally Posted by Gentoo

The view of the anti wage increasers is ALWAYS based on what they believe.

The view of anti small business is ALWAYS based on what they believe.

[jm1982]

Good points. Ironically the proponents are typically enacting policy that will reduce or eliminate the small businesses that the low skill workers work at.
So you have the decimation of mom and pop small businesses , and the big chains will continue to automate to reduce staff.
Too bad for the small business owners they likely won't be able to invest in automation.
I'm no mathematician ...but $10 an hour is better than zero per hour.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by jm1982

Nice to see you!
You are the one spreading the nonsense though and more people agreed with me versus you though.

To answer your question: Because there will be less incentive to operate. Most people get into business to make a profit , not lose money on purpose.
When a whole industry becomes less profitable then you see it diminish. It's been that way through history.

30,000 people work in the Los Angeles apparel industry. It's still big, but you probably wouldn't know since you don't live in Los Angeles .
What will likely happen is that the places where apparel workers now work will be converted into more lofts. That doesn't help people whose skill is apparel making right?...

The problem is that you assume things will remain the same and wages will just go up.
You claim to care about the working poor...but you want to make it more difficult for the businesses they work for to survive...

Speaking of blather, you don't live in Fresno. Yet, here you are jabbering on about the LA apparel industry in a thread about Fresno.

Lose your GPS jm?

People agreeing with baseless opinions isn't anything unusual jm. Nor is it in any way whatsoever an indication of you being right. You haven't been able to present a single shred of evidence to refute the facts I've presented in any of these wage war threads. You just keep posting links to opinion articles. We know lots of people have their knickers up in bunches over this jm. You can post a bazillion articles of opinion and still not prove a thing except that people run around like their hair is on fire over all kinds of baseless fears.

[Chimérique]

Originally Posted by Des-Lab

Cities like Anaheim, West Covina, Apple Valley, Bakersfield, or Fresno might as well be Dodge City, KS for all the "authenticity" they have as being part of CA.

Actually the REAL CALIFORNIA has always been the hard working folks of places like Anaheim, West Covina, Apple Valley, Bakersfield, Fresno, Santa Rosa, Stockton, Sacramento, Gilroy, Salinas, Redding, Ukiah, Fullerton, San Fernando, etc. etc.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by jm1982

Good points. Ironically the proponents are typically enacting policy that will reduce or eliminate the small businesses that the low skill workers work at.
So you have the decimation of mom and pop small businesses , and the big chains will continue to automate to reduce staff.
Too bad for the small business owners they likely won't be able to invest in automation.
I'm no mathematician ...but $10 an hour is better than zero per hour.

Prove your opinion jm. Prove it. Fact is mom and pop businesses continue to thrive along with corporate businesses in a number of countries around the world with higher minimum wages, that also maintain low unemployment while boasting higher standards of living and quality of life indexes than the US enjoys.