CalExit is Based in Russia, and Backed by Trump pal Putin (tenants, college)

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by NoMoreSnowForMe

Exactly. Think of all of the small and/or third world countries with gorilla fighters. Let's look at how long the war has gone on in Afghanistan, etc. Are they as well-armed as the U.S.? No way. And yet, the war lingers on and on. Why? Because they are armed and use gorilla tactics.

Just like our forefathers did against Britain way back when. You don't need equal ammunition or troops to effectively stop a take-over, etc. You can do it with skill, strategy and even far lesser arms.

No, I'm hardly a typical Democrat. But, I'm also smart enough not to register as an Independent.

If the goal is to keep a particular politician out of the White House, you ally yourself with a group that can make that happen. As a Democrat, I can do that, if I want to keep a Republican out of the White House.

The smart Republicans no doubt promote, at the grass roots level, the Green Party, and Independents, and no doubt were involved in stirring up support for Jill Stein and Bernie Sanders. Why? Because that would be the smarter, easier way to keep the Democratic nominee from winning. It's smart strategy.

Which, unfortunately, also means that those well-educated Sanders/Stein supporters are actually pretty dumb when it comes to strategy. Did they make their points about caring about the environment, etc.? Sure. But, at what cost? And really, how smart was that?

And I bet they're all marching now against Trump and wearing pink pussyhats. And writing petitions regarding oil pipelines, etc., Appalled at how our president is behaving.

Just, sheesh you guys. How is your "point" feeling about now? You know, the one you were making when you voted against Hillary, but wasn't actually for Trump either?

Shaking my head.

War like in Afghanistan would not work in CA. Very few would risk their lives let alone do street warfare. No jungles to hide in or caves etc. CA could not rebel in that way as too many would be partying and smoking pot until they realized it wouldn't actually work.

As to Hillary VS Trump? Bad either way. It was a lose/lose election.

[CaliRestoration]

The funny thing is the MAJORITY of the people who criticize 2A and its effect on preserving liberty are usually people who come from current or former despotic **** holes.

Switzerland is one of the few EU countries I know that respects 2A and understands how important it is.

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by NoMoreSnowForMe

Just, sheesh you guys. How is your "point" feeling about now? You know, the one you were making when you voted against Hillary, but wasn't actually for Trump either?

Shaking my head.

Well, NMSFM, if it's any help, both my wife and I - two retired political and legislated analysts -voted for neither because in good, knowing conscience, we couldn't support either. We knew ours were throw-away votes but so be it. Admittedly, doing so kinda hurt but not as much as the alternative would have. It was a first for both of us.

[TheGoodUsernamesWereTaken]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

Well, NMSFM, if it's any help, both my wife and I - two retired political and legislated analysts -voted for neither because in good, knowing conscience, we couldn't support either. We knew ours were throw-away votes but so be it. Admittedly, doing so kinda hurt but not as much as the alternative would have. It was a first for both of us.

lol, it's very comforting to hear this from legistative analysts.

I also didn't cast a vote for either, but me for different reasons. In fact, I am reserving my vote for the candidate I truly believe can "lead" us and do a better job than I could, for example. Don't remember the last candidate from any party I felt that about. I'll leave the whole "choosing the lesser of two evils" aspect of voting to the sheeple.

People try and call me un-american, or say I am a fool because my vote counts. Well for one, as a veteran i'm as "american" as it gets with my actions, and as far as my vote counting, I give them this look....

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by TheGoodUsernamesWereTaken

People try and call me un-american, or say I am a fool because my vote counts. Well for one, as a veteran i'm as "american" as it gets with my actions, and as far as my vote counting, I give them this look....

Also a veteran from the 60s and 70s and between us my wife and I have seven children, 15 grandchildren and one great grand child with two more on the way. Our political concerns are not for us at ages 68 and 70, respectively, but for their futures.

[TheGoodUsernamesWereTaken]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

Also a veteran from the 60s and 70s and between us my wife and I have seven children, 15 grandchildren and one great grand child with two more on the way. Our political concerns are not for us at ages 68 and 70, respectively, but for their futures.

A few steps behind you here.


If I can find a woman with traditional values in California (yea, right) I'll have someone to have kids with, which will hopefully yield grandchildren, and I can have concerns for their future as well, I would consider it an honor, as a man, to have such a responsibility.

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

And they'd be written off as the foaming-at-the-mouth nutjobs that they are. People argued that FDR was introducing "socialism", too. This, during the Depression, no less, when an alarming percentage of the populace was living in tents on the streets. That tells you something about the people who like to cry "socialism!"

Think about it in terms of centralized control instead of the "socialist" label. Is there more centralized control today in the U.S. than there was in 1930? The answer to that is an unequivocal yes. Every time there is a power grab people freak out at first. Then it becomes the "new normal". And the intrusion is always done in the name of our security, whether it be taxing the rich, the prevalence of surveillance cameras, or having us walk through airport scanners.

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by TheGoodUsernamesWereTaken

A few steps behind you here.

If I can find a woman with traditional values in California (yea, right) I'll have someone to have kids with, which will hopefully yield grandchildren, and I can have concerns for their future as well, I would consider it an honor, as a man, to have such a responsibility

It's possible. I certainly did and that was only 20 years ago. Now granted, she was/is an original 60s and 70s, bra-burning feminist and real live hippie but always very responsible and family-minded. As such she was and has been a great foil to my combat veteran and former state narcotics agent background. Mutual friends said it would never work but we've made it do so. She's softened me (I needed it) and has moved to center with me. All things are possible if you want them to work and the love is there.

Don't give up and best of luck!

[TheGoodUsernamesWereTaken]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

It's possible. I certainly did and that was only 20 years ago. Now granted, she was/is an original 60s and 70s, bra-burning feminist and real live hippie but always very responsible and family-minded. As such she was and has been a great foil to my combat veteran and former state narcotics agent background. Mutual friends said it would never work but we've made it do so. She's softened me (I needed it) and has moved to center with me. All things are possible if you want them to work and the love is there.

Don't give up and best of luck!

I'm a glass half full person, I never give up, but the outlook is bleak, lol. 20 years ago wasn't long ago to you and I, but this new wave of modern feminism has all but burnt to the ground the traditional household heirarchy, at least here in the bay area.

It's like searching for a needle in a haystack.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by TheGoodUsernamesWereTaken

I'm a glass half full person, I never give up, but the outlook is bleak, lol. 20 years ago wasn't long ago to you and I, but this new wave of modern feminism has all but burnt to the ground the traditional household heirarchy, at least here in the bay area.

It's like searching for a needle in a haystack.

Maybe look closer to your age if you want that same type of outlook in a woman. You get much beyond 9 or 10 years difference and look out.