If CA is such a crap place to live (Los Angeles: prices, moving)

[KC6ZLV]

Originally Posted by Kevroqs

Now you know how I feel about news networks like CNN, MSNBC, etc....

You can't say Fox is run by anyone sane either.

Capradio here in Sacramento did some fact checking on the three news networks. CNN was the most accurate, which I agree with. I don't necessarily agree with their presentation, but they don't make up stuff. I don't think MSNBC biased, I just think they have a habit of rehashing news from other sources without checking the accuracy of the subjects they report on. FOX clearly has an agenda and that is to get people all worked up about non-issues.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...tfacts-networ/

[KC6ZLV]

Originally Posted by phantompilot

That's one theory. I have my doubts that the voters are responsible, but we'll never know because the voting system is such a crazy uncontrolled mess itself that defies any attempts at audit or transparency or verification.

Who knows if the voters actually elected these cretins or not? Nobody has any way of even verifying if the voters are even legitimate voters in the first place. Do you realize that you can register to vote in California without any form of identification, or even an address? You don't even have to provide any proof that you're a real person - there is nothing stopping you from simply inventing a fictitious identity and registering to vote using that identity, and nobody at the polls will ever ask you to provide any identification when you get there. You could literally make up 10 fictitious identities and vote with all of them.

So you can say "the voters" are to blame, but that remains to be established. Certainly it is true that a majority of people in CA appear to lean left.

They voted for them. I don't think the polls are rigged at all. What is rigged is the options the voters have to choose from, and that is a nationwide problem.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by KC6ZLV

You can't say Fox is run by anyone sane either.

Capradio here in Sacramento did some fact checking on the three news networks. CNN was the most accurate, which I agree with. I don't necessarily agree with their presentation, but they don't make up stuff. I don't think MSNBC biased, I just think they have a habit of rehashing news from other sources without checking the accuracy of the subjects they report on. FOX clearly has an agenda and that is to get people all worked up about non-issues.

Fact-checking Fox, MSNBC and CNN: PunditFact's network scorecards | PunditFact

It is funny, CNN had the highest anti Trump stories of any news channel at nearly 98%, MSNBC close behind. Then we have Fox which was ........ 51 % against. Now which is most balanced?

Capradio fact checked??? With all the false news about Trump and the Russians, admitted to by Pelosi and others in the know, everyone must be 100% false for CNN to even be 1% true.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by KC6ZLV

They voted for them. I don't think the polls are rigged at all. What is rigged is the options the voters have to choose from, and that is a nationwide problem.

The only known rigging was in TX in favor of Hillary.

[KC6ZLV]

Originally Posted by expatCA

It is funny, CNN had the highest anti Trump stories of any news channel at nearly 98%, MSNBC close behind. Then we have Fox which was ........ 51 % against. Now which is most balanced?

Capradio fact checked??? With all the false news about Trump and the Russians, admitted to by Pelosi and others in the know, everyone must be 100% false for CNN to even be 1% true.

I won't argue with the anti-Trump stories. However, one could easily make an argument that FOX has their own obsessions with Hilary, Obama, and the 'liberal mainstream media.' What Capradio did is check the accuracy of the facts. You can be biased and still correct. You can also be biased and misrepresent or make up stuff altogether. The difference between CNN and FOX is CNN simply reports on what Trump tweeted this afternoon. FOX writes up a news story to give the public the impression that Hilary did something illegal. For that matter, FOX commits every fallacy university "logic and reasoning' courses teach students to avoid when writing and researching.

[KC6ZLV]

Originally Posted by expatCA

The only known rigging was in TX in favor of Hillary.

You are forgetting about gerrymandering, purging 'inactive' voter records in areas where a high percentage of voters might vote for the 'wrong' candidate, and the media flat out sidelining candidates. The media did it to Bernie Sanders in favour of Hilary Clinton, and they refused to give Ron Paul any airtime at all.

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by KC6ZLV

I won't argue with the anti-Trump stories. However, one could easily make an argument that FOX has their own obsessions with Hilary, Obama, and the 'liberal mainstream media.' What Capradio did is check the accuracy of the facts. You can be biased and still correct. You can also be biased and misrepresent or make up stuff altogether. The difference between CNN and FOX is CNN simply reports on what Trump tweeted this afternoon. FOX writes up a news story to give the public the impression that Hilary did something illegal. For that matter, FOX commits every fallacy university "logic and reasoning' courses teach students to avoid when writing and researching.

The mainstream media is so immensely biased and slanted toward the positions that any sane person would see through it. Have people not learned critical thinking? The media uses constant fallacies to spin things as they see fit and they no longer even try to hide it as they once did.

Just a very few examples of WaPo chicanery (this is journalism?):

Trump says that X is the case. It isn't.

Trump’s dishonest rant about his Charlottesville comments

Trump puts a fine point on it: He sides with the alt-right in Charlottesville

Every country on the planet has embraced the Paris pact. Except one.

The latest terrible GOP plan to ruin Obamacare

Trump is totally clueless on health care. The last 24 hours proved it.

[GWTJ]

Originally Posted by Mr5150

Why are people living here? Why are people paying premium prices for housing in the coastal urban areas? (Not the price case in the area where I live)

I see a lot of people saying California sucks. If that were the case, people would be leaving the state in droves (what is a drove BTWj and talent and money would be going to Texas. Then housing prices would drop. Yet here we are, the sixth largest economy in the world with coastal urban housing prices that are a bargain compared to Paris, London, Berlin, Hong Kong and Singapore. Now why is that? I mean a hot area to live, yet cheaper than other great international spots.

Could it be that CA is actually a great place to live? Sorry haters.

My income is $25 a day from gov't. Do you know of anywhere in CA that I could live?

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by KC6ZLV

I won't argue with the anti-Trump stories. However, one could easily make an argument that FOX has their own obsessions with Hilary, Obama, and the 'liberal mainstream media.' What Capradio did is check the accuracy of the facts. You can be biased and still correct. You can also be biased and misrepresent or make up stuff altogether. The difference between CNN and FOX is CNN simply reports on what Trump tweeted this afternoon. FOX writes up a news story to give the public the impression that Hilary did something illegal. For that matter, FOX commits every fallacy university "logic and reasoning' courses teach students to avoid when writing and researching.

There is no difference between them. Both lie. People just believe what they want. Oh, not lying does not mean they haven't twisted the facts either. That happens every day and in seeing it I quit watching virtually all news and CNN was what I watched the most and haven't watched Fox in longer than that.

As for Capridio I have not seen any evidence it is a trusted source either.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by KC6ZLV

You are forgetting about gerrymandering, purging 'inactive' voter records in areas where a high percentage of voters might vote for the 'wrong' candidate, and the media flat out sidelining candidates. The media did it to Bernie Sanders in favour of Hilary Clinton, and they refused to give Ron Paul any airtime at all.

True, but the TX thing was an outright fraud vote for Hillary. Both parties do everything they can to get what they want.