If CA is such a crap place to live (San Diego: renting, incomes)

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by aslowdodge

You are a far cry from a snob. I've mostly seen you post rational thoughts that don't lean towards the haters or the rainbow wavers. Just the facts as they exist.

Thanks.

I am a spelling snob, though. Some people hate me for that. But I don't think calling people out for not knowing the difference between "then" and "than" to be unreasonable. Others would disagree.

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by TheFlats

Kids these days, am I right?! (Pssst: lower divorce rates, lower violent crime rates, lower abortion rates, lower drug use rates than Baby Boomers). .

The lower divorce rates among Millennials are because more than 1/2 of them who have kids in their 20s are having them outside of marriage. Basically, the divorce rate has dropped because the people who were most likely to divorce now no longer bother to get married. Not an improvement, IMO.

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by man4857

Every time I see someone saying that, it's just because they're subconsciously jealous that they can't afford to be there.

We all know why CA is expensive: it's a very desirable place to live and that drives demand. But supply of housing won't ever keep up because land is finite... and there are other limitations like mountains, local zoning rules, etc.. So it's always a lose-lose for housing costs keeping steady when demand is sky high.

The haters are just ignoring simple free market economics as far as I know.

No, actually we don't have anything resembling a free market in housing in CA precisely because of those overly restrictive zoning laws that you've mentioned. I guess you've never heard of NIMBYs.

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by payutenyodagimas

I don't believe red tape is the problem.

Then clearly, you've been living under a rock. Plenty of the liberal media outlets have mentioned the restrictive zoning issue over the last few years. This from those right wing nut job propagandists at the New York times:

The extreme rise in housing costs has emerged as a threat to the state’s future economy and its quality of life. ......

... the churning economy has run up against 30 years of resistance to the kind of development experts say is urgently needed. California has always been a desirable place to live and over the decades has gone through periodic spasms of high housing costs, but officials say the combination of a booming economy and the lack of construction of homes and apartments have combined to make this the worst housing crisis here in memory......

Despite having some of the highest wages in the nation, the state also has the highest adjusted poverty rate.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/17/u...ng-crisis.html

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by KC6ZLV

They voted for them. I don't think the polls are rigged at all. What is rigged is the options the voters have to choose from, and that is a nationwide problem.

I think it's both.

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

The mainstream media is so immensely biased and slanted toward the positions that any sane person would see through it. Have people not learned critical thinking? The media uses constant fallacies to spin things as they see fit and they no longer even try to hide it as they once did.

Just a very few examples of WaPo chicanery (this is journalism?):

Trump says that X is the case. It isn't.

Trump’s dishonest rant about his Charlottesville comments

Trump puts a fine point on it: He sides with the alt-right in Charlottesville

Every country on the planet has embraced the Paris pact. Except one.

The latest terrible GOP plan to ruin Obamacare

Trump is totally clueless on health care. The last 24 hours proved it.

Even liberal media types like Naomi Wolf are saying similar things about mainstream media. See 9:00 in this video (although the whole thing is worth watching:

"We need the free press to ask questions, the kinds of questions they used to ask, independently verifying what the State Department says, what the White House says. By and large the press in America has stopped doing that".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viKEpo93Txs

[payutenyodagimas]

Originally Posted by mysticaltyger

restrictive zoning issue over the last few years.

the problem is that everybody wants to live in the most desirable places. there are a lot of land available crying for developers, businesses and residents like California City, the Antelope Valley. these places are already laid out. the only thing missing are new residents or businesses but like I said, everybody want to live in the most desirable places and whine when they couldn't find affordable places to live.


why blame the restrictive policies of cities? if those policies have been in place before, it only means the residents approved them

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by payutenyodagimas

the problem is that everybody wants to live in the most desirable places. there are a lot of land available crying for developers, businesses and residents like California City, the Antelope Valley. these places are already laid out. the only thing missing are new residents or businesses but like I said, everybody want to live in the most desirable places and whine when they couldn't find affordable places to live.


why blame the restrictive policies of cities? if those policies have been in place before, it only means the residents approved them

And the majority still do and in the US the majority vote wins.

[man4857]

Originally Posted by mysticaltyger

No, actually we don't have anything resembling a free market in housing in CA precisely because of those overly restrictive zoning laws that you've mentioned. I guess you've never heard of NIMBYs.

Oh no, I know all about NIMBYs and zoning issues. The only problem? Zoning rules and thus housing won't ever react fast enough to the amount of people who will want to move there... hence the high prices.

[BB_210]

Originally Posted by ClassicCarFamily

Can't beat the weather in Cali. No other weather better in the US except for maybe Hawaii