California is Moving Closer to Charging for Every Mile You Drive (credit, homes)

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by herdoggo

Long over due. As electric and high MPG cars are now become more standard, having a gas tax just is not economically equitable anymore.

How will they figure the mileage tax? Can't turn every single street into a toll road.

Can't believe any mileage anyone turns in and it is not hard to change the reading on your mileage indicator with common tools for checking the electronics, and how will out of State drivers be charged and out of State trucks be charged and .... well it looks like the residents will bear a greater level of cost than they do now.

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by KC6ZLV

Everything I've read suggests replacing the per gallon tax with a per mile tax, or keeping per mile tax for older vehicles and a per mile tax for new vehicles. This is for state taxes.



Additional registration fees don't come close to making up the difference in wear and tear caused by heavier vehicles. A heavy SUV causes three to four times the amount of wear and tear that a sedan causes, and that is for dry pavement. Factor in different types of weather combined with the aggregate material available in any given locality and the rate of wear can increase substantially. So, the per mileage tax should be higher for heavier vehicles.

An SUV is barely more than a car in comparison to a big rig. Regular cars and truck do practically no damage to roads, big rigs do the damage.

[Social Democrat]

Originally Posted by Mike930

Do we really believe these bastards would eliminate the gas tax in favor of this nonsense? Based on their track record, I’ll bet it’s “phased in” while maintaining the gas tax. Then they’ll say that they need the gas tax temporarily to pay for whatever. The temporary then becomes permanent.

I don’t trust these weasels as far as I can throw them. Remember they wanted people to buy electric cars “for the environment”. They even offered incentives to do so. Now that it’s happening, they impose a $100 yearly fee on electric cars because “they aren’t paying their fair share” of the gas tax. Now the mileage tax.

These aren’t people, they’re leeches.

I'm sure they will realize by keeping the tax at the pump that can be used to pay for free college and universal healthcare.

[KC6ZLV]

Originally Posted by expatCA

How will they figure the mileage tax? Can't turn every single street into a toll road.

Can't believe any mileage anyone turns in and it is not hard to change the reading on your mileage indicator with common tools for checking the electronics, and how will out of State drivers be charged and out of State trucks be charged and .... well it looks like the residents will bear a greater level of cost than they do now.

With the power of GIS. Mileage taxes could be dispersed to various governments based on the number of miles you drive through a state, county, or city. It can also be used to charge higher rates for toll roads. The mileage data can be transferred to a gas pump wirelessly and the mileage charges will be added to the price of your gas.

[KC6ZLV]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

An SUV is barely more than a car in comparison to a big rig. Regular cars and truck do practically no damage to roads, big rigs do the damage.

I've read the wear is three to four times the damage of the average car. This is for large SUVs which weigh about 2,000 lbs more than a midsize car.

A heavier vehicle does more damage to the roads. That's physics. An SUV weighs more than a car and SUV owners should pay more based on the weight of their vehicles to reimburse the state for the additional damage they do. For that matter, I think fees should be increased proportionately by weight for all vehicles. If someone thinks they need to drive a 5,500 lb vehicle to the grocery store to buy a loaf of bread they should compensate the city for the additional wear they put on the roads. Likewise, I think the commercial trucking industry should be charged based on their weight and loads. If the nation's big box retailers don't like paying the for the additional shipping fees to ship 40,000 lbs of garbage made in China they always have the option to send it across the country by rail.

[BBMW]

I think any system to do this would be based on technology that could be easily subverted.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by KC6ZLV

With the power of GIS. Mileage taxes could be dispersed to various governments based on the number of miles you drive through a state, county, or city. It can also be used to charge higher rates for toll roads. The mileage data can be transferred to a gas pump wirelessly and the mileage charges will be added to the price of your gas.

In theory. But who pays for a unit in every car owned? We are talking tens of millions of units well beyond new cars and motorcycles and similar? Then what about out of State visitors who do not have one? Ditto Over the Road trucks? Good idea but a huge expense to put into practice. Then of course ways to block the signal would not be hard to figure out. Trying to implement it Nation wide would be impossible.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by KC6ZLV

I've read the wear is three to four times the damage of the average car. This is for large SUVs which weigh about 2,000 lbs more than a midsize car.

A heavier vehicle does more damage to the roads. That's physics. An SUV weighs more than a car and SUV owners should pay more based on the weight of their vehicles to reimburse the state for the additional damage they do. For that matter, I think fees should be increased proportionately by weight for all vehicles. If someone thinks they need to drive a 5,500 lb vehicle to the grocery store to buy a loaf of bread they should compensate the city for the additional wear they put on the roads. Likewise, I think the commercial trucking industry should be charged based on their weight and loads. If the nation's big box retailers don't like paying the for the additional shipping fees to ship 40,000 lbs of garbage made in China they always have the option to send it across the country by rail.

CA already does this. The tax on Diesel is higher than on gas and the fees are higher on trucks now than on cars. Where has all that money been going? Not repairs needed.

[payutenyodagimas]

easy way to replace the gas tax. sales tax and registration should be higher for those who don't use gas

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by payutenyodagimas

easy way to replace the gas tax. sales tax and registration should be higher for those who don't use gas

Humm, a good idea but will be shot down.

That also would not impact out of State drivers and there are a LOT of those in cars and trucks. Maybe require that out of State drivers, using any credit card that is not a CA resident, pays a higher gas tax at the pump. That would not be hard to do?

Still the real solution is to mandate that every dime taxed for roads be actually spent on them, not in other areas.