Why did the Republican Party get so small in California? (fit in, loans)

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by kttam186290

The cost of living being lower is only a myth based on NV not having an income tax, but when you add everything else into the equation, it more than makes up for the lack of income tax. People don't figure that out until they've moved though. You can't convince them otherwise.

I agree, it's not cheaper except for no state income tax. Las Vegas has cheaper housing but Northern Nevada is going through one of it's "boom" periods, this one driven by Tesla but the reality is the jobs at Tesla don't pay that much and the entire area sucks for good jobs unless you think that working in a warehouse for $13 an hour is a great gig.

The median home price in Reno is 400k and average rent for a 1 bdrm apartment is over $1100, rent is about the same in Sac but the median home price is 350k But here is the problem with Reno, the median household income is $48,815 and in Sacramento it's $64,052.

And unless they do something pretty soon Reno is going to be facing a big homeless problem. For decades most of the people who would otherwise be on the streets have been able to share a cheap weekly or monthly motel room, or an SRO. But now they are tearing down those old hotels and motels as fast as they can in their big push for 'revitalization', and displacing a whole lot of people many of them elderly or disabled.

[Finper]

Originally Posted by kttam186290

Please, in all honesty, ask yourself who in California does the Republican Party appeal to?

The small business owner? ...OK, but only if he/she is not an immigrant, gay, or pro-choice.

Big business? ...Not with the level of workplace education and diversity you'll have in California.

The "elite" Republicans in Atherton, Hillsborough, Woodside and Los Altos (in Nor Cal) or Rancho Bernardo, Bradbury, Westlake Village and Rancho Palos Verde (in So Cal) are not numerous enough to actually swing an election.

So, the California GOP caters to the very narrow base of White/native-born Hispanic-American, blue collar, exurban, conservative, military-oriented, anti-choice, anti-gay voter. Basically, the "Archie Bunkers" of California who hate the state with a passion and vote with a grudge.

That's not a winning formula!

Gee I own a small business and I'm going to a lesbian wedding this weekend. I better cancel right away since I'm a Repub so obviously anti gay.

I don't hate the state I hate what's happening to the state

[kttam186290]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

People are not a monolith as presented here. I do not fit your profile nor does, for example, Peter Thiel, hardly blue collar. I left the Democratic Party many years ago. I believe in smaller, not bigger government and having parents from a communist makes me very aware of the direction we are going. We cannot be both an immigrant nation and a welfare state. The two are incompatible in my opinion and that of Milton Friedman.

I also detest identity politics and the politics of victimology.

Milton Friedman, eh?

Are you familiar with the Chicago School of Economics then?

I get what you're saying about "identity politics" and "victimology". I truly do. It's annoying. However, have a genuine look at Intersectionalism and Privilege and what that is. It does exist and can effect you, as a gay male, too. It's better to acknowledge it rather than deny it. You can dislike victimology and identity politics and also acknowledge that privilege does exist and that people do benefit from it in different ways.

Yes, the left needs to get past victimology, but the right needs to acknowledge the existence of privilege as well.

If we do both, we'll all be better for it.

As for us being an "immigrant nation", the right -- a la George W. Bush & Co. -- were completely fine with that as long as it meant cheap labor, low wages and a pool of workers to build, build, build...oh, that, and bust the organized labor groups!

Now that the immigrants are here and established, you can't just deny them access to the safety net. And you sure as hell can't justify tearing down the safety net because you resent that some of them use it.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Finper

Gee I own a small business and I'm going to a lesbian wedding this weekend. I better cancel right away since I'm a Repub so obviously anti gay.

I don't hate the state I hate what's happening to the state

You aren't the problem, the Republican party is. I know plenty of Republicans who don't have any racial animus or hatred toward gay people, but you get a jackwagon like John Cox running for governor who has publicly stated that homosexuality leads to bestiality and that we need charter schools to keep trans teachers out of our schools and you wonder why he lost? Pete Wilson got re-elected largely because of his support for prop 187 which was popular with a majority of Californians but over time as the state's minority population increased people blamed Pete Wilson and the Republican party for attempting to pass that piece of legislation. This won't stop at California, Republicans will lose more states unless they can abandon the identity politics and become more inclusive. My guess is that some of the Republican California legislators could have held their seat if they hadn't hitched their wagon to Trump.

[silverkris]

Originally Posted by SOON2BNSURPRISE

Republican party has not decreased. The Democratic party has increased, way beyond how many members are allowed to vote.

Think about this. In Orange County, a heavy Republican favored county, all of House Seats flipped from Republican to Democrat even with there being over 200,000 more votes for John Cox than Gavin Neusom for Governor. How is that possible?

The Democrats have not won California.They ripped it off. They can not win an honest election if they tried.

Any proof of election irregularities, or is this just being sore at the results you just don't like?

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by SOON2BNSURPRISE

Think about this. In Orange County, a heavy Republican favored county, all of House Seats flipped from Republican to Democrat even with there being over 200,000 more votes for John Cox than Gavin Neusom for Governor. How is that possible?

The Democrats have not won California.They ripped it off. They can not win an honest election if they tried.

Huh? Cox lost Orange County by 529 votes, not 200,000. The vote was Newsom: 531,638 Cox: 531,109. The House races Republicans lost were mostly by 1 -4 percentage points so I have no idea what the heck you are talking about "Democrats ripping off the election"

https://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/governor/county/orange

[kttam186290]

Originally Posted by Fin Wizard

Lol. Facts aren't important! Only ideology.

There's always "alternative facts", right?

[silverkris]

Originally Posted by kttam186290

I get what you're saying about "identity politics" and "victimology". I truly do. It's annoying. However, have a genuine look at Intersectionalism and Privilege and what that is. It does exist and can effect you, as a gay male, too. It's better to acknowledge it rather than deny it. You can dislike victimology and identity politics and also acknowledge that privilege does exist and that people do benefit from it in different ways.

Yes, the left needs to get past victimology, but the right needs to acknowledge the existence of privilege as well.

If we do both, we'll all be better for it.

Nobody plays victimology and identity politics like Donald Trump when he's stoking white grievance and playing to nativism.

[Finper]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

You aren't the problem, the Republican party is. I know plenty of Republicans who don't have any racial animus or hatred toward gay people, but you get a jackwagon like John Cox running for governor who has publicly stated that homosexuality leads to bestiality and that we need charter schools to keep trans teachers out of our schools and you wonder why he lost? Pete Wilson got re-elected largely because of his support for prop 187 which was popular with a majority of Californians but over time as the state's minority population increased people blamed Pete Wilson and the Republican party for attempting to pass that piece of legislation. This won't stop at California, Republicans will lose more states unless they can abandon the identity politics and become more inclusive. My guess is that some of the Republican California legislators could have held their seat if they hadn't hitched their wagon to Trump.

Don't tell me I already know Repubs have no good candidates here but Travis Allen and he didn't get far in this liberal bastion. Tell the poster here (Kttam) who hates all Repubs that we aren't the problem just the helpless citizens watching the destruction of a once great state

[silverkris]

Originally Posted by Finper

Don't tell me I already know Repubs have no good candidates here but Travis Allen and he didn't get far in this liberal bastion. Tell the poster here (Kttam) who hates all Repubs that we aren't the problem just the helpless citizens watching the destruction of a once great state

Well, the solution is the same - if you don't like the candidates your party offers, find other candidates or be one yourself.