Coronavirus (estimate, employers, accounting)

[sav858]

Originally Posted by Finper

That wasn’t a wedding it was a vampires ball.

The IV drip think was so bizarre. Sadly I can see where Qanon gets some of their whacky ideas from now lol.

[sav858]

Should the Bay Area care about COVID case increases anymore?

Because of the Bay Area's high vaccination rate, as well as the fact that COVID-19 vaccines are highly protective against hospitalization and severe disease, two separate experts from UCSF — Drs. George Rutherford and Monica Gandhi — do not believe the region is at risk of seeing overwhelmed hospitals this winter.

Gandhi has been critical of the reliance on case rates, and said that officials should follow hospitalizations when shaping public policy.

She added that other counties such as Germany have de-emphasized case numbers and put more weight on hospitalization numbers following mass vaccination.

[goodheathen]

Someone having a medical degree doesn't make that person right. As long as there's more than a slight risk of long-COVID from non-hospital cases and people have to quarantine for quite a while if infected, case rates are important.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Someone having a medical degree doesn't make that person right. As long as there's more than a slight risk of long-COVID from non-hospital cases and people have to quarantine for quite a while if infected, case rates are important.

Well that goes both ways including someone with a medical degree that might agree with your overly cautious approach.

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by sav858

It's the rules for thee not for me Pelosi, Breed, and Newsom trio! At an oil heiresses wedding too. It's comical and even more comical the people that support them.

As one of this forum's ardent supporters said recently, they're "mostly following the science". Gosh golly, what more can we ask from them?

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by sav858

Well that goes both ways including someone with a medical degree that might agree with your overly cautious approach.

"Overly" here is anti-factual. I think almost nobody is pushing for quarantine for actual infection to be reduced to a few days in the near future. The disruption of quarantine itself is sufficient to make the case rate matter. The link between worker shortages and inflation makes slowing the spread imperative, even if long-term symptoms prove rare. Or shortages and safety, re law enforcement and firefighters. Medical professionals have their lane and generally don't think enough about socioeconomic ramifications. Think about it: if everyone were symptomatic or contagious enough to miss 10 work days or (if students) school days per year, society would no longer function. Too many individuals and businesses operate close to the ledge and arguably so do governments. https://calmatters.org/economy/labor...a-time-ending/ Does anyone believe society would still be functioning if vaccination hadn't become widespread this year? Maybe the only good thing about COVID is that it probably naturally peaks at the time of year when work is less and schools close and therefore if half of the 10 days are then, bullet dodged.

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

"The link between worker shortages and inflation makes slowing the spread imperative, even if long-term symptoms prove rare.

What link?
This isn't the 14th century and covid19 isn't the plague set to wipe out a third of Europe. Current worker "shortages" are mainly the result of policy, some post-covid job burnout and a few other social factors, not the virus, and certainly not lingering effects from those who recovered from the virus.

[goodheathen]

It's in here. Of course it's probably impossible to quantify. You, me, and nearly everyone else forget the caregiving aspect, not just for people who have been infected but for those who are too high-risk to go out more than a little.
https://apnews.com/article/coronavir...7cf102021b956a

[joosoon]

And employers are still struggling to find workers because many people who lost jobs in the pandemic have yet to start looking again.


Once more, the virus itself (i.e. sickness from the virus) isn't suppressing worker supply. It's a million other factors caused by the pandemic, the shutdown, etc. This isn't the plague. We didn't actually lose the workforce to death.

[goodheathen]

That's a disingenuous argument. 1) Yes, people have died, some from getting sick on the job. 2) Many people are afraid of getting the coronavirus on the job and spreading it to loved ones, probably centered around vulnerable family members. I think the fear must be decreasing with vaccination now available to almost all age groups, but many parents are hesitant to vaccinate young children and those under 5 can't be vaccinated and there are millions of them and paying for them to be watched over at home while parents work is not a realistic option for many families. You think women dropping out of the workforce much more than men in the past 2 years is a coincidence? Let me elaborate: maybe 2 years ago, parents could pay a neighbor for affordable daycare or get elderly relatives to watch the kids, but the virus has made that much riskier.