Masks in public now mandatory statewide (bike, windows, free)

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

I don't know what the E/O is.

The state executive order.
CDC's guidelines aren't it. I posted a link to California's E/O and excerpted the relevant parts. If you're not seeing them, it's by choice. An improvised mask made from a tshirt, scarf, etc. are literally mentioned under the heading "what is a mask?". The state accepts the idea that a person with a hiked up tshirt over their nose and mouth is, for all intents and purposes, wearing an acceptable mask.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by joosoon

The state executive order.
I posted a link to California's E/O and excerpted the relevant parts. If you're not seeing them, it's by choice.

I saw it and, in fact, quoted it; scroll back. It's outdated.

Originally Posted by joosoon

An improvised mask made from a tshirt, scarf, etc. are literally mentioned under the heading "what is a mask?". The state accepts the idea that a person with a hiked up tshirt over their nose and mouth is, for all intents and purposes, wearing an acceptable mask.

Sorry; I don't agree. You're reading into that.

And what's your purpose for posting this?

[Exitus Acta Probat]

Originally Posted by jbgusa

A jogger making a rapid pass of a pedestrian? They do not need to wear masks unless they stop and talk.

That is not what I understood from months ago when the CDC was establishing their recommendations -- is there new research that indicates otherwise?

[Exitus Acta Probat]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

I saw one at Popeye's Chicken last week. An older guy walked in with his t-shirt pulled up over his face, the clerk said "you can't come in here without a mask" he said "this is my mask" The manager came out and walked right up to the guy and said "out, get out now" The guy started swearing and carrying on and refusing to leave but he changed his mind when a strapping young male employee came out of the back room.

LOL...I love how everybody is a tough guy until an actual tough guy enters the mix.

[Exitus Acta Probat]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

But you don't live in Orange County.
(clip from July, but from the O.C. residents I know, not much has changed.)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BrpGoYSKT8

That's sad. I wish certain people in the media would stop politicizing the mask issue. If somebody wants to be political, fine then, let's talk about free helicopter rides for all the politicians who supported globalization and the idea that it's "xenophobic" if we don't allow everybody from everywhere to bring their diseases here. And furthermore, let's solve the housing crisis by invading China and taking their real estate. How's that for politics then?

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

I saw it and, in fact, quoted it; scroll back. It's outdated.

It's not outdated. The state order has not been replaced by anything newer. California still references that order, with that exact language, today. The guidelines from the CDC don't somehow supersede our governor's directive. They can't and those aren't even orders. The state says tshirts, scarves, etc. are all considered face coverings for the purpose of the emergency declaration. There is no getting around that fact.

And what's your purpose for posting this?

Read back. Someone else didn't believe that California accepts a hiked up tshirt as a legitimate face covering. The E/O states explicitly otherwise.

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by Exitus Acta Probat

LOL...I love how everybody is a tough guy until an actual tough guy enters the mix.

Like this?


Coronavirus: Face mask dispute leads to shooting outside Family Dollar store, police say

If you're going to be a punk and shoot at an employee who tells you to wear a mask or leave, at least be a better shot.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by joosoon

I'm not defending the guy in your specific case, but the mask order says what it says and it carves out a specific improvisation for things like a hiked up tshirt. It's all the more reason to codify some actual statutes and stop relying on an emergency order as I've been saying for months.


edit: An improvised tshirt is still better than nothing, right? The guy who wore a klanhood in my area was forced by employees in the store to take it off. Who endangered the public in that incident? The guy who complied with the (at the time) county order, or the employees who acted?

The June 18th order ALSO says this:

Discard
cloth face coverings that:
• No longer cover the nose and mouth
• Have stretched out or damaged ties or straps
• Cannot stay on the face
• Have holes or tears in the fabric

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

The June 18th order ALSO says this:

Discard
cloth face coverings that:
• No longer cover the nose and mouth
• Have stretched out or damaged ties or straps
• Cannot stay on the face
• Have holes or tears in the fabric

<sigh> Thank you.

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

The June 18th order ALSO says this:

Discard
cloth face coverings that:
• No longer cover the nose and mouth
• Have stretched out or damaged ties or straps
• Cannot stay on the face
• Have holes or tears in the fabric

That doesn't change anything concerning the definition of a face covering though. The order allows for improvised masks made with tshirts, scarves, towels and sweatshirts. One of the few areas within it with any level of specificity is in the section I quoted.


A guy with a tshirt hiked up over his face is complying with the E/O. Is it practical? not really. But the language of the order indisputably allows for that.



This is really a silly argument.