Considering leaving California (Santa Clarita, Redlands: place to live, suburbs, vehicles)

[KemBro71]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Again: so what?

Why does California need to gain or retain so many damn people? We’re the most productive state in the union as it is. And I personally don’t see why it’s important to even be number 1 in that regard. What is this, some kind of high school football rivalry? “We’re #1! We’re #1! Yay us!” Who cares?

Do you like living in California? If so, congratulations on being happy here. If not: move. Simple.

There are MANY legitimate and important reasons to track and understand population trends. Social scientists, public servants, economists, planners, businesses, educators, etc. etc. really need to know why people are coming and going and who these people are (characteristically).

It appears you only think this is about some peepee match, which sometimes it might be. On an individual level, sure, who cares if someone stays or goes, but on the macro level trends are important. Don't take today's snapshot as what will be forever.

[Losfrisco]

Originally Posted by KemBro71

There are MANY legitimate and important reasons to track and understand population trends. Social scientists, public servants, economists, planners, businesses, educators, etc. etc. really need to know why people are coming and going and who these people are (characteristically).

It appears you only think this is about some peepee match, which sometimes it might be. On an individual level, sure, who cares if someone stays or goes, but on the macro level trends are important. Don't take today's snapshot as what will be forever.

I agree, but this isn't really what's going on, at least most of the time. It exaggerating and amplifying completely normal migration trends to create the kind of "news" people want to hear.

Go over to YT and search "leaving California"......its endless YouTubers making a video about why "everyone" is leaving because a few prominent people left recently because they know there is a market to hear this narrative being reinforced.

When a celebrity buys a property outside of California (which has been going on all throughout history) that generates another "look who's the latest to flee California" click bait piece (even when they retain a primary residence in CA).


The data linked earlier in the thread didn't even show a population loss, just a slowing in growth.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by KemBro71

There are MANY legitimate and important reasons to track and understand population trends. Social scientists, public servants, economists, planners, businesses, educators, etc. etc. really need to know why people are coming and going and who these people are (characteristically).

It appears you only think this is about some peepee match, which sometimes it might be. On an individual level, sure, who cares if someone stays or goes, but on the macro level trends are important. Don't take today's snapshot as what will be forever.

I agree there are many legitimate reasons to track and understand population trends. None of which have been identified through the course of this thread ... or a million other similar threads.

In lieu of identifying some “important” reason for the question ... it sure does seem to be a “peepee match” thread. Yep.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Losfrisco

I agree, but this isn't really what's going on, at least most of the time. It exaggerating and amplifying completely normal migration trends to create the kind of "news" people want to hear.

Go over to YT and search "leaving California"......its endless YouTubers making a video about why "everyone" is leaving because a few prominent people left recently because they know there is a market to hear this narrative being reinforced.

When a celebrity buys a property outside of California (which has been going on all throughout history) that generates another "look who's the latest to flee California" click bait piece (even when they retain a primary residence in CA).


The data linked earlier in the thread didn't even show a population loss, just a slowing in growth.

Exactly

[GoldKona]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Riiight. Just like the world’s wealthy have abandoned the French Riviera to roving bands of illegal immigrant refugees from Africa!

I had no idea! Is there a Go Fund Me page? Sacre Bleu!

[caligirlz]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

Well, the huge amounts of land preserved as national forests, national parks, state and regional parks, has always been one of the West's attractive qualities. "Empty" of sprawl and glitz is a good thing.

Those are the best places IMO as a native Californian

If OP likes the east coast better, then he should move. No need to debate or have us beg him to stay. Go out & explore.

[ddeemo]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Responsible for fire fighting in 43% of forested land but not for cutting brush or having controlled burns. And as far as the 'summer being lost', it was lost in April when Trump stopped all federal work on clearing brush etc because of the pandemic and told the employees to work from home.

Trump doesn't control every decision any more than Newsome does - stoppages in CA were due to the state. Also the Federal stop work was 6 weeks and coincided almost exactly with that Cal Fire did - the CA regulations such as smog stopped the work after that. Also ignores the fact that most of the clearing that was critical was on CA controlled land, not Federal. Cali IS responsible for brush clearing on the 43%, they have the duty, regulatory power and means to compel.

[steel7]

I would LOVE to move to the pacific North West. I have hated living in CA for years.

[Losfrisco]

Originally Posted by steel7

I would LOVE to move to the pacific North West. I have hated living in CA for years.

I love it up there too. The first time I went to Portland in 2012 they still had midwest-level COL. SoCal is beautifully but in a somewhat contrived, engineered way. The PNW has a slight edge in natural beauty and intimacy IMO.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Losfrisco

I love it up there too. The first time I went to Portland in 2012 they still had midwest-level COL. SoCal is beautifully but in a somewhat contrived, engineered way. The PNW has a slight edge in natural beauty and intimacy IMO.

That COL is long gone now. I am up in the San Juan Islands right now. Hiding out since March. Seattle is competing with California real estate pricing. Many rural areas west of the mountains are skyrocketing as well. Portland is following suit.